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Using own router w/ UVerse 2Wire modem; Whole Home problems now appearing

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Lord Vader, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. Dec 31, 2012 #1 of 123
    Lord Vader

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    Unfortunately, at my Texas abode I'm stuck with having to pay exorbitant prices for AT&T's crappy UVerse Internet service. No other ISP is permitted in this complex, despite that Comcast is in all the adjacent ones. Anyway...

    I'm stuck with UVerse's 2Wire modem/router, which doesn't even have wireless N capabilities. Its range is about 2 feet it seems (trust me, it sucks). I have a newer and much better Netgear router sitting in storage and wish to use that as my "primary" wireless router. Can I do this, and if so, how do I configure it?

    Note: Is it possible to do this and not have the Netgear right next to the 2Wire? I ask because it'd be nice to have the Netgear in a different room, thereby "expanding," so to speak, this apartment's wireless coverage. I do have ethernet cables running into a couple other rooms, if that helps.
     
  2. Dec 31, 2012 #2 of 123
    The Merg

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    Yes, you can do that. Turn off the wireless capability on the Uverse modem/router. Connect the Netgear router to the modem. Make sure to not use the WAN port on the Netgear router. You will also want to turn off the DHCP server on the Netgear modem. As the Netgear router might have an IP address that conflicts with the Uverse router, you might want to connect the Netgear directly to a laptop first to change the settings, to include setting up the wireless settings.

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  3. Dec 31, 2012 #3 of 123
    Kevin F

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    I prefer to have my Apple AirPort Extreme handle DHCP. In this setup, I have my TWC modem pass a bare public IP address to it. I find this to be a faster and more efficient setup than having the APE pass the DHCP over to the modem.

    Kevin
     
  4. Jan 1, 2013 #4 of 123
    The Merg

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    While you can use the DHCP server on the Netgear and turn it off on the Uverse modem, sometimes that is more of a pain to setup.

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  5. Jan 1, 2013 #5 of 123
    Kevin F

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    I agree with the above statement. I had to go into some diagnostics modes on my Ubee modem to complete this. Worth it in my opinion.

    Kevin
     
  6. Jan 1, 2013 #6 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    Following this thread closely to see the end of the story...and how well it works once in operation.

    Considering a similar switch here now that AT&T finally completed the 2 year delay of actually having an option to switch.
     
  7. Jan 1, 2013 #7 of 123
    Lord Vader

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    I'll tell ya--if Comcast was available in my complex, I'd dump UVerse Internet so damn fast they wouldn't know what hit them.
     
  8. Jan 1, 2013 #8 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    Interesting...in our 500+ home subdivision here...the reverse is already happening in droves (UVerse just became available a short time ago) based on Comcast poor customer service and downtime reliability. :shrug:
     
  9. Jan 1, 2013 #9 of 123
    Lord Vader

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    In suburban Chicago I was paying ~ $30/month (promo price for 12 months, then $49.95/mo thereafter) for consistent speeds of 30MB down (50MB with their Boost service) and 6-8MB up. With UVerse, I'm paying $70/month for 20MB down and 3MB up, their so-called "Pro" service, which is their fastest speed. Horrible.
     
  10. Jan 1, 2013 #10 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    No doubt the quality of service, and also the customer service levels...vary in regions around the country. Both of those rates and service speeds beat or equal most of what is available in other places.

    In terms of pricing...promo rates are used by all providers to entice at first..then reality comes when the term is up.

    Considering how much downtime my neighbors have experiences with Comcast, not to mention some of the worst customer service ever...the price almost becomes secondary.
     
  11. Jan 1, 2013 #11 of 123
    Lord Vader

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    Jumping to $49.95/month for 30 or more megs down and 6-8 megs up was a good value, IMHO. Paying almost double that for about half the speed is not.
     
  12. Jan 1, 2013 #12 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    Some people in these parts think Comcast is run by Lord Vader....so I can understand the "love" for it by a few. :D
     
  13. Jan 2, 2013 #13 of 123
    Lord Vader

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    If I ran it, everything would be much smoother and things would be in order.
     
  14. Jan 2, 2013 #14 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    I'll let my neighbors know. ;)
     
  15. Jan 2, 2013 #15 of 123
    dennisj00

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    Don't feel bad, I'm paying ~$70 plus fees for this and fees for that, for a blazing 15/5 that they (local cable) just increased from 12/4 'for free'.
     
  16. Jan 2, 2013 #16 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    On the plus side...it's still exponentially faster than many other parts of the country make available...even some very big cities.
     
  17. Jan 2, 2013 #17 of 123
    steve053

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    Lord Vadar,

    I have the crappy 2Wire router and am succussfully using my Linksys router. The key is to place your router in the 2Wire's dmz. Here is a cut and paste of instructions that I found that are working today for me:
    I made the mistake of getting everything up and running, then discovering that I didn't use the UPS or have the power cords running where I wanted. Powering down removed my router from the 2Wire dmz and also removed the ip address from my router. I got everything up and running again, but it was quite the pia.

    Also, uverse blocks the sending of emails from domains other than AT&T. You have to grant access to your non AT&T email account, which is relativey simple, but again a PIA if you dont' know. This external post explains how to authorize your e-mail accounts.

    Best of luck.
     
  18. Jan 2, 2013 #18 of 123
    Lord Vader

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    OK, but one critical question--must my Netgear router be connected directly to my 2Wire, or can I have my Netgear connected in another room via a lengthy ethernet cable I have running into that other room?

    What is the recommended connection?

    BTW, it sounds like if I ever have a power outage, even a momentary one, I'm going to have to run through hoops to get my Internet up and running. Am I reading that correctly?
     
  19. Jan 2, 2013 #19 of 123
    hdtvfan0001

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    Based on that previous post...it appears the settings get saved...and are available in the event of a power outage. :shrug:

    Otherwise yes...it would be a PITA.
     
  20. Jan 2, 2013 #20 of 123
    steve053

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    The connection from the 2Wire to your router is via ethernet cable (LAN to WAN). As long as your cable run does not exceed 100 meters you should be just fine.

    I can't say that you will or you won't. I did have some problems the first time I disconnected and restarted my system, but I can't completely rule out user error. I did it when I was under a tight time deadline - so I may have inadvertently changed a setting in my haste. :confused:

    The second time that I unplugged and moved everything it seemed to work just fine on boot up. My router had the correct 2Wire dhcp address, it was in the 2Wire dmz, and the correct boxes were checked and unchecked in the 2Wire firewall. I had more issues connecting the Sprint AirRave femtocell to the dmz of my router.

    All of my newtorking gear is on a UPS so I won't have to worry about a power hiccup.
     

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