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"V" starts in November

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Rich, Oct 3, 2009.

  1. Rich

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    What you're talking about is "Science Fantasy". There used to be a rather strict line between the two, but over the last 40 years, that line has become rather blurred. Pure SF is supposed to be stories that are fact based. Science Fantasy got mixed with pure SF up when writers like Robert Heinlein became popular. Even the libraries get them mixed up now. For pure SF, try Robert Sawyer, a Canadian writer who writes books that you can actually learn from. He is in the minority of "pure" SF writers now.

    It's not surprising that this has carried over to movies and TV shows.

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  2. bicker1

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    I think the vast majority of the popularity of the (combined) genre is attributable to the portion that you call "science fantasy" (and really, fantasy in general), so a clearer delineation of the genre into two separate genres would essentially leave the hardcore fans utterly marginalized within the realm of television and film, without even the small amount of deference paid to their interest that is paid to it these days. That might be a better situation, from a purist's perspective, but drawing that distinction doesn't serve the interests of any of the production companies or networks, so I doubt we'll see any movement along those lines.
     
  3. Rich

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    Agreed, too late to go back now.

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  4. phrelin

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    "FlashForward" is the only Sawyer book I've read. IMHO it was awful as a novel even though the science was interesting. So does anyone recommend his Neanderthal Parallax or Quintaglio Ascension trilogies beyond "interesting science?"
     
  5. Rich

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    I've read most of his books and, for the most part, enjoyed them. Sometimes authors go off on tangents that are not as satisfying to some readers. Witness Harry Turtledove. Writes some of the best alternate history novels, but his fantasy stories are not what I expect from him.

    I read the Neanderthal books some time ago. I read a lot and have a hard time remembering specifics, but I do remember enjoying the first book and being disappointed in the second one. Don't remember if I even bothered to read the last one. Not even sure I knew about it.

    I've had a copy of Flashforward for some time now and have not read it. Didn't even realize it was the book the show is based on. Wonder if I should read it? What do you think? Is it worth reading now, considering the series?

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    Except for the actual "flash forward" the TV show might as well not be based on the book. The science in the book is interesting, so it's worth reading for that. The story had promise, but it felt like he had an agent and publisher standing over him from about the middle on and so he just wrote as best he could leaving an ending that just seemed all wrong and contrived.
     
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    Seems to me that "fantasy" once enbodied anything that could not be conceivably explained by alluding to science. And now, SF seems to include much of this.

    And I guess I'm not familiar with Heinlein's fantasy stuff. There was nothing remotely fantasy about "Stranger in a Strange Land." But of course he's written a lot since then!
     
  8. Rich

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    A lot of mildly successful to wildly successful writers end up writing "screenplay" books which are obviously meant to be turned into movies or series. Sawyer started doing this a few years ago. That's about when I stopped reading his books. Disappointing when that happens.

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    He wrote some really weird stuff after that book. In one book, the protagonist went from being male to female. Don't remember the name of the book, but it was really strange.

    I think there are three types of books in this category. Pure science fiction, mixed science fiction with science fantasy, and the really wild science fantasy, which has the hero jumping on his Tyrannosaurus Rex and riding off to slay aliens, who look like wolves, jump like kangaroos and breed like rabbits.

    The whole thing just kinda evolved and nobody seemed to notice. Or complain. Or care.

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    Must be a government cover-up! I'll have to check the black vault!
     
  12. Rich

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    So, I got the series DVD from NetFlix, it laid on the table for a few days and then disappeared. Thought the kids took it and were watching it. Then I asked them and they hadn't seen it. Asked my wife and she sent it back. I can't win. I'll order it again and then we can continue the argument. Just didn't want you to think I was avoiding you. :)

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  13. Henry

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    And you don't consider CGI a special effect?

    From where I stand cheesy effects were enough to kill a series. It did wonders for the original V.


    Same question ... geeks and keyboards don't qualify as special effects?

    I'm glad they saved all of those older series for you on DVD. :rolleyes:
     
  14. chawk80

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    Looks like SyFy is showing both the original miniseries and the Final Battle on Nov 1 if anyone is interested
     
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    Thanks for the heads-up! The miniseries was fun...the Final Battle not so much. ;)
     
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    Yeah ... thanks for the heads-up. I'll be clearing some space to record the V mini-series. I haven't seen the originals in a long time, so I'm looking forward to it!
     
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    I'm going to pass. There is no way this nonsense will win that time slot (because of NCIS), and then ABC will just wring its hands and say "woe is me".

    I actually like some Sci Fi. If Star Trek Next Generation was new right now and on broadcast TV, I would watch loyally. But times have changed and now shows like "24" have captured my attention.
     
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    That is probably the saddest truth of this whole show. You have to wonder what ABC is thinking.

    I don't know how it did tonight but "NCIS" has had 20 million viewers and a huge demo in the ratings. It's numbers look like "American Idol."

    IMHO the best "V" can do by episode 3 will be in the 8 million range and a weak demo, as episode 3 will be opposite the third night of AMC's "The Prisoner" mini-series, which if it is any good, will pull scifi fans. At that point the pundits will declare "V" dead.

    They should have moved "Hank" and "The Middle" to put "V" on Wednesday at 8 pm. I'm sure no one at ABC has noticed that it is a time slot currently running 15 million under Monday, 12 million under Tuesday, and 8 million under Thursday. But what do I know....:rolleyes:
     
  19. Rich

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    I just scheduled the SyFy broadcasts (which are in SD) and I think I'll send the NetFlix DVD back whenever it arrives (unless it's in widescreen format, which I doubt), since I'll get a better picture on SyFy (I hope). Then we can continue the argument.

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    Anyone who is a sci fi fan will have multiple DVR capability. They will record all three and watch them when all that is on is stupid reality shows.
     

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