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VA Speeding ticket "scam"

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Herdfan, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. SamC

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    All speed enforcement is illgitimate and desigined to empower and enrich government, lawyers, lowlevel hypocrite government employees, and insurance companies. When the federal government changed the NMSL from 55 to 65, traffic mortality and morbidity went down, when it got out the way totally and returned power to the state it went down, again, without exception in every state that raised the SL. The MUTCD proves that an SL set by science, as the 85th %ile with lax enforcement is the safest. The fastest roads (the rural interstates) carry the most traffic at the highest speeds, but are by far the safest. Advocates of underposted SLs are either fools or involved in the random tax hypocracy.

    Herdfan, you are describing a variation on the old "speedometer repair" scam. It used to be that the random taxers would let you get a mechanic say you had a "equipment malfunction" with a receipt from a speedometer repair shop presented through a local lawyer.

    Herdfan, the following is technical content and only applies if you are a WV resident, which I gather from your name (Herd being a reference to the Marshall Thundering Herd). It will work, although you might have to ask for a DMV hearing (which you will win and will cost you nothing) to do so. WV has 2 laws that are operative here. WV interstate SL is 70, unless lowered by a traffic study conduced by a professional engineer. Well, when the federal government finally allowed states to raise the SL to 65 (and, as I mentioned, save lives, and divert prescious police resouces to inportant things like murder, rape and theft) WV wisely did so on day one. Maryland continued to random tax motorists for many years. Well, that meant many people from WV's eastern panhandle had to travel the cop infested I-68 to get to the rest of the state, including legislators. So they passed a law, still on the books, that says that the DMV will take not notice of any ticket that it would not take notice of if it were a WV ticket. Since WV takes no notice of a ticket that is 9 over the SL and the SL on that section if it were in WV would be 70, 77 would be 7 over and thus the ticket would be a no points ticket in WV.

    Simply ask for a driving record from WV DMV, and if the ticket shows up, ask for a hearing. They will back off, and if they don't you will outsmart the drone (non-lawyer) hearing officer.
     
  2. Rich

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    My father was an insurance salesman. Before the Internet came into use. Everyday, he'd sit down with a few newspapers and go thru the obits and births and engagement notices and wedding notices and send letters to people affected by those notices. If he could find a phone number for them, he'd call them and try to talk them into buying insurance policies. He made out very well on the birth and wedding notices. I'm sure a lot of insurance salesmen did the same thing. Not much different from what you saw, when you think about it.

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  3. longrider

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    On the subject of plea bargains Colorado has taken it to a new extreme. In a lot of jurisdictions (I dont know the exact percentage) if you get a ticket for something you can handle by mail and you accept the mail in fine it is an automatic charge reduction. 6 point tickets are reduced to 4, 4 to 2 and 3 to 1. They get your money, all that goes on your record is the reduced charge and everybody is happy
     
  4. Davenlr

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    I disagree. Going to work every morning, my on-ramp is 1/4 mile from a major interstate split (two lanes I-40 going to Memphis, two lanes I-30 going to Little Rock) and on a major incline.

    Speed limit is 60. That is to give drivers the opportunity to merge left two lanes in the 1/4 mile before the split to get into the I-40 east lanes.

    It is very difficult when going 55-60 to merge those two lanes because drivers are zooming through at 70-75.

    I really have no tolerance for drivers speeding, even those going 75-77 in a 70 on the open highway. When I am going the speed limit, and come up behind a truck going 60, it really ticks me off to have to disengage cruise and hit the brakes to wait on a car running up next to me in the fast lane going 75-80.

    I hate that almost as much as drivers who think if they set their speed 5 over, they can just stay in the passing lane and drive all day.

    I am all in favor of them getting all the tickets the police have time to give out. When I see a highway dept truck on an overpass with a little round device pointed out his window, I just laugh, because I know two miles further ahead, will be 5 state troopers doling out tickets to deserving drivers.

    When the sign entering the state says "Speeding - No Tolerance" they are serious. There just are not enough of them for drivers to take it serious. But we will take the $$$ from those that get caught.
     
  5. coldsteel

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    Please provide proof of this allegation.
     
  6. AntAltMike

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    Changes in the legal drinking age, the aging of the baby boomers to the stage in life where they are naturally inclined to violate driving laws less, and the improvements in vehicle passenger safety equipment makes seeming correlations between mortality and other factors virtully impossible to analyze.
     
  7. jacksonm30354

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    I miss the 9 mph over tolerance in Georgia (except in a school zone or historic district). Down here in Oz, there are speed cameras, red light cameras, and safety cameras which is a combo speed/red-light camera. The tolerance is not known, but it's anywhere from 1 to 3kph over the posted limit. Yep, just 1 kilometer an hour over will possibly get you a ticket. I think you can get 13 or 14 points before you lose your license. Luckily, I can drive on my Georgia license until it expires in 2012 and points are tied to an Aussie license. They also are serious about 'drink driving'. They will shut down a freeway and direct everyone through the checkpoint. The limit is .05 and you could end up on a primetime TV show (RBT - Roadside Breath Test). So I pay the $65 taxi fare to go 17km (10miles) home when I have a night on the town :)
     
  8. SamC

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  10. Herdfan

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    Less than 3 miles from you. :)

    Yeah, I tried that. Asked the officer to lower it to 74 in a 65 and he wouldn't do it. :( And that is why I set my CC at around 7 MPH over. It usually won't get you noticed and if it does, no points.

    In reference to some thing dave mentioned, and Dave, if you don't like speeders, do not take either I-75 from Chattanooga TN to Atlanta, or I-95 through SC and GA (save for the one county just inside the GA line where the limit is 5 lower for about 5 miles and they will snag you). First time I went to Atlanta with my wife, I told her once we got past Chattanooga, to hold on because if we went doing 90+, we were going to get run over. She didn't believe me until she looked over and we were at 95 and getting passed.

    But back to his point about drivers setting their CC at 5 over and hogging the fast lane. This creates a far more dangerous situation than someone driving 10 over on an open interstate. Except usually it not someone 5 over, but someone 10 under. It stacks traffic up so many vehicles are closer together than they should be and then the drivers start getting aggravated and do stupid things. It is a law in most states that doing that is a violation, but why it is not ticketed is a mystery. I guess the theory is that it is a judgement call on the part of the officer and a radar reading is not. Easier to fight a judgement in court.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    I'm not going to brand people as evil for speeding... and I can't say I haven't sped before, and I was even ticketed once... but mostly I obey the speed limit because it is the law AND I actually don't like to drive fast anyway.

    But more to the point... why do so many people want to break the law AND defend it like its ok? I see this with a lot of laws actually.

    From my perspective, if I am ever speeding it is usually unintentional OR extraordinary circumstances... but even then I know what I'm doing is wrong and if caught (like that one time) I wouldn't try and defend it.

    Granted it's an extreme example... but it makes me think people would try and excuse beating someone nearly to death by saying "well, I didn't kill him."
     
  12. TheRatPatrol

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    What I want to know is how did all those law firms know that you got a speeding ticket?

    BTW, I would have never given out a CC# over the phone unless I knew for sure who I was talking to. That letter head could have been easily been made by a crook.
     
  13. Herdfan

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    Virginia's court system posts all records online. This includes traffic tickets. And it is date searchable, so I would guess the law firms have someone who does nothing but search the database and send out letters.


    Normally I would not have, but given that I got multiple letters from the same town, I had a pretty good feeling they were legit. Had it just been one letter I would have been more skeptical.
     
  14. wilbur_the_goose

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    Buy a BMW - The speedos are usually 4-6 MPH slow.
     
  15. scooper

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    You can say this about most cars now - anything in Europe (Germany) is required to never show speed SLOWER than actual speed.
     
  16. klang

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    Yes but we know that and take it into account when calculating what speed we can get away with. :lol:
     
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    It's like saying you can only walk by crawling on all fours because it's safer.

    The highways were engineered for safe travel at over 70mph. Cars are safer. They're more fuel efficient. *Everything* (well, except distractions) had been being engineered for more and better safety year after year.

    Here's a question for you. The 55MPH NMSL was supposed to save lives, right? The death rate per million miles traveled went from 4.1 to 3.5. Good, right?

    So why had the fatality rate plunged from 10.9 in 1943 to to 5.0 in '69? Why did it CONTINUE to drop from 4.7 to 4.1 between 1970 and 1973? And why, after implementation, did it STILL drop every year (except 3 miniscule increases) after than through 2003? (Source: http://www.saferoads.org/federal/2004/TrafficFatalities1899-2003.pdf )

    It's because the 55MPH speed limit was a farce. Once implemented it turned into a revenue generator.
     
  18. Rich

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    I set my cruise control for 5MPH above the speed limit (65) on our superhighways and stay out of everyone's way as much as possible. I see people go by me like I'm doing 40. They gotta be going about 80 or 90. I don't see that as "evil", but I do see it as "stupid". Lose control of your car for any reason at those speeds and something catastrophic is probably gonna happen. In my town, I set the CC for three MPH over the speed limit on certain roads. But never more than 5MPH over.

    Because people think that they are "entitled" to break those laws.

    I actually avoid driving with my wife because she drives so fast.

    I was sitting in a parking lot a couple years ago when a BMW got pulled over by a State Trooper. Rolled down my window and listened to the whole conversation. The Beemer's driver told the trooper that he was the President of some company and kept arguing that he was in a hurry to get to an important meeting and knew many influential people, blah, blah, blah. The trooper took it for a while, then handed the guy the speeding ticket and told him he didn't care who he was and if he didn't shut up, he'd have the car impounded.

    As the Beemer slowly left the parking lot, the trooper turned to me and said, "Can you believe that guy?" I still wonder how he knew I listened to the conversation.

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    My car's speedometer has a max speed of 160 and I have no doubt that it might well reach that speed. And I'd love to try it. If I was still a drunk, I'm sure I'd know, since I turn into Mario Andretti when I drink...:lol:

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  20. Stewart Vernon

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    The original reason for dropping the speed limit back in the day was because of the fuel crisis (real or imagined)... not for safety. Unfortunately, people began to tie safety with lower speeds... and then when the fuel "crisis" ended, were caught in a mental trap when they wanted to raise the limits again.

    Bottom line... IF you are in complete control and conditions are perfect... I doubt that it is any safer to drive 40 mph than 80 mph... but conditions are rarely perfect and you aren't always in control!

    The faster you go, the less reaction time you have... and the more disastrous your accident. Example: Flying... airplanes have a good safety record BUT when one does crash there tends to be high incidents of serious injury.

    The faster you go, the more likely you are to encounter something you can't react to... and the more likely a bad outcome. Hence, why driving at slower speeds should tend to reduce the likelihood of serious accidents.

    That said... as the population grows, we put more and more drivers on the road... so at any speed, the rate of accidents should go up as the population grows, because most people just aren't that good of drivers.
     

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