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Versus on DTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kryscio23, Aug 19, 2009.

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  1. Feb 4, 2010 #3961 of 5379
    rRooster9999

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    I currently don't have the sports pack but would get it if it had versus as I'm already tempted to do it for Fox Soccer Channe;l this would be the kicker for me. Also, if VS. doesn't come back I'm leaving for dish (mostly because I'm a big MMA fan) DirecTV is gonna lose out on customers like me who also ordered every UFC PPV.

    Now I understand some of this money goes to pay for services and such; but if they get versus back they get 54.95 X 12 from me for UFC PPV and 9.99 x 12 from me for Versus (assuming it goes to sports pack). That's more than $800 directv will lose JUST FROM ME. and that's not counting whatever they're profit is from just having me as a regular customer.
     
  2. Feb 4, 2010 #3962 of 5379
    islesfan

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    My overriding hope is that the NHL wakes up and makes their next deal with ANYONE but Vs. Then the bloody channel will shrivel up and die and Comcrap will be stuck with their worthless property!
     
  3. Feb 4, 2010 #3963 of 5379
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    My impression from the interview was that D* is not viewing the situation as just the VS channel but want all the carriage agreement problems with Comcast dealt with together.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2010 #3964 of 5379
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    I tend to agree but that does not help us till the 2011-2012 season.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2010 #3965 of 5379
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    At roughtly 5pm yesterday I unplugged the sat connection from the back of one of my HR20 receivers. I was still able to access the list and view programs already recorded. I was also still able to view programs on other DVR's via the new MRV as well as view programs from this DVR on other receivers.

    With still no issues at 11pm I decided to see what happened if I rebooted the receiver. I was stil lable to view and play items in the LOCAL playlist but all MRV functionality was lost. The same was the case this morning at 7pm. I'll check again tonight and tomorrow morning.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2010 #3966 of 5379
    Hoosier205

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    I don't think they are underestimating Versus one bit. The number of customers who will leave over one channel, this one in particular, will be in the extreme minority. Look at the ratings for Versus...they barely even register most days. Versus is lucky if they pull in 300,000 - 420,000 viewers on average for even the premier events (WEC and NHL regular season)...with the one and only exception being late round Stanley Cup Playoff games. They also managed 500,000+ for a regular season NHL game...that's a drop in the bucket. USA scored 5.2 million viewers for WWE Raw last week....

    Let's just look at last week's ratings:

    Broadcast TV Top 5 -

    1 GRAMMY AWARDS(S) 25.8 million viewers
    2 AMERICAN IDOL-WEDNESDAY 25.7 million viewers
    3 AMERICAN IDOL-TUESDAY 24.5 million viewers
    4 NCIS 20.2 million viewers
    5 NCIS: LOS ANGELES 16.9 million viewers

    Cable TV Top 5 -

    1 NFL 2010 AFC-NFC PRO BOWL 12.2 million viewers
    2 ST UNION/ANALYSIS(S)-01/27/2010 6.6 million viewers
    3 ST UNION/REP RESPONSE(S)-01/27/2010 6.4 million viewers
    4 ON THE RECORD W/GRETA 5.8 million viewers
    5 STATE OF THE UNION 2010(S)-01/27/2010 5.7 million viewers

    How many times has Versus registered in the top 25...ever?

    With what now, 18 million subscribers? DirecTV isn't going to feel the pinch from losing Versus. Do I want Versus back? Yes. Is DirecTV losing any sleep over it? No.
     
  7. Feb 4, 2010 #3967 of 5379
    pappy97

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    Versus (Comcast) is the only network who is willing today to pay a rights fee for the NHL. When the NHL left ESPN for Versus, it was because ESPN wanted to do a revenue-share agreement with no fee (like the NBC deal) while Versus/Comcast was willing to pay cold hard cash for the rights to air NHL games.

    Hard to pass that up from the NHL perspective. If we want the NHL to move away from Versus, someone, anyone, needs to step up and offers a rights fee to the NHL and not just seek a no-fee revenue share deal.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2010 #3968 of 5379
    susanandmark

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    It may take a few days, your access will cease. It's faster if you actually cancel service, as they send that down the line ASAP. As far as your receiver is currently concerned, your sat signal is just down (which can, and does, happen for an extended period of time). It never received a cancellation/suspension signal for your account. You'll eventually just get an error message to call DirecTV when you try and view content.
     
  9. Feb 4, 2010 #3969 of 5379
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    The other thing we have to remember is that D* has to be careful about what kind of message this sends to other content providers. If D* just gives into Comcasts demand to get Vs back, then what happens next time Scripps want's a big price increase, or ABC/Disney, etc. Once D* caves to one provider the others will start licking their chops anticipating their next contracts.

    Right now D* is saying they think Comcast's demands are too high for the value of the channel so they would rather drop them then give in. That warns other providers that they too could be dropped.

    Other providers have done the same thing in the past, it's happened recently with Fox, Scripps, Vs and E* had the same issue not too long ago etc. The big difference is most of those were worked out pretty quickly. D* and Comcast seem to really be stubborn on this one.
     
  10. Feb 4, 2010 #3970 of 5379
    susanandmark

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    Oh please, this has nothing to do with taking a moral stand. Both DirecTV and Comcast are companies and both will do anything legal, or quasi-legal, to get an extra nickel. Period.

    Both companies are posturing as if this is a holy war, when it's really about $$$ and how they both want more of it.

    DirecTV gave its customers a song and dance about how they couldn't keep Versus because they didn't want to, "pass the cost along to you," then they pocketed the savings they get from not having the channel at all (putting nothing in its place) and, five months later with a still-reduced line-up, raised rates 500% higher than even the most over-amped predictions said Versus was asking for.

    The fact that anyone bought either company's sob story just shows how naive and gullible the public is (or at least how stupid DirecTV and Comcast think we are). Neither "cares" about anything other than profit. If it's in their best (financial) interest to be "nice," they will be. If not, they won't.
     
  11. Feb 4, 2010 #3971 of 5379
    Hoosier205

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    ...no one is suggesting that this isn't a financial decision being made by both parties. Of course it is. That much is a given.
     
  12. Feb 4, 2010 #3972 of 5379
    Tom Robertson

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    Other things to consider:
    The whole situation is evolving. What DIRECTV said "before" the cutoff was probably very true for the situation then. And what Comcast said might also have been true--then. We've already realized both parties could have been truthy in their comments.

    One of public comments DIRECTV made was along the lines "now that VS. is off, this becomes a regular evaluation of any new channel to get added in." Had VS. negotiated to where they are now before the channel was pulled, we might have had a deal. (Just a huge guess on my part, by the way.) Since the channel was pulled, and DIRECTV has taken some of the hit of customers leaving, they may be evaluating this completely differently than before VS. went dark.

    Thus, things that look like song and dance today, might not have been originally. (At least not as much song and dance. We all know everyone carefully positions their side of the story.) :)

    Cheers,
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  13. Feb 4, 2010 #3973 of 5379
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    We can mock all we want, but Vs. still draws more than MSNBC, CNN, and many other cable channels that most providers would never consider dropping.

    Even on the days when Olberman forgets to take his meds, MSNBC barely reaches 300,000.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2010 #3974 of 5379
    Hoosier205

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    Umm...no they don't. It's not even close. Versus cannot compete with these numbers:

    Here is a little more information:

     
  15. Feb 4, 2010 #3975 of 5379
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    It isn't just that some of the money goes to pay for services and such as you suggest, It is that the majority of it goes to cover Provider fees and satellite construction and launching and Uplink / Downlink centers.

    DirecTV will not be losing $800 from you. Of that $800 my best guess is that the majority of it goes to the PPV provider and the providers of the channels in the sports pack.

    If you pull the D* financials and then divide that by the number of subscribers you can get a really rough idea of their profit percentage.

    Then there is the issue that if you profit margin is 10% on a 20 cent channel it isn't worth as much as a 2% profit on a $60 PPV.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2010 #3976 of 5379
    islesfan

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    Not to quibble, but you mentioned before that Vs. gets 300000-420000, and here you list MSNBC at 376000. That's just what I said. Nevertheless, your data is intriguing. Just the other day I was reading how CNN primetime just re-passed MSNBC primetime, but they listed the viewers at (approximately) 150000 for CNN and 120000 for MSNBC. I read a link on Drudge, which I think was WSJ, but I'm not sure about that. (Their point was that CNN and MSNBC didn't add up to FOX, but that isn't the point here.)
     
  17. Feb 4, 2010 #3977 of 5379
    corinthbandit

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    A friend of mine cancelled Directv and switched to Verizon Fios today specifically because of the Versus issue. I'm giving it another few weeks but may end up having to do the same.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2010 #3978 of 5379
    Hoosier205

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    Not a problem. You're just pulling the wrong MSNBC number from what I posted. You're looking at the P2+ Total Day numbers. The P2+ Total Day numbers for Versus would be significantly lower. The only ratings wins for Versus come in certain markets on certain nights. An example would be an NHL playoff game (one in which the Detroit Red Wings are playing) beating American Idol for one single night in Detroit..."Hockeytown USA."

    Comcast acts as if they have their own version ESPN in Versus. Well, ESPN is to Versus as a priceless diamond is to a day old dog turd. I want Versus back as much as the next person, but looking at Versus for what it's worth from a product point of view...DirecTV isn't losing any sleep. Versus needs subscribers far more than providers need Versus. Comcast has been able to absorb the loss thus far. Add in another large provider willing to walk away from the table and things would likely change.
     
  19. Feb 4, 2010 #3979 of 5379
    Hoosier205

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    They have approximately 17,999,999 subscribers left after losing your friend's business. The vast majority of those left won't leave because of one channel...especially after D12. I hope Versus is back soon as well. Just trying to be realistic.
     
  20. Feb 4, 2010 #3980 of 5379
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    Do you guys think that channel placement (603) had something to do with its low ratings on D* (and was D* looking at their ratings or national ratings)? I would think that if you didn't have the sports pack you wouldn't look at the guide for channels in the 600's. I still think it should have been/should be in the 200's by the other sports channels there.
     
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