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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kryscio23, Aug 19, 2009.
Have you seen what DirecTV is paying for it?
Based on numbers reported by the los angeles times and a few media websites directv was paying about 21 cents per choice extra/total choice/premier subscriber. That is about 75% of all subscribers. Versus offered to raise it about 20% or 4 cents and keep it in choice extra. Directv countered with 4? and moving it to the sports pack. That would decrease subscribers by 6 million immediately. Versus refused and the channel was turned off. About a month or 2 later versus offered to keep the price the same as before (about $0.21 per sub). Directv continues several months later to decline and still insists that versus be moved from choice extra to sports pack. Versus has been quoted several times including fresh links in the last week that this is their view of the facts of negotiation. I read the newspaper and the other links are hidden in this massive thread. Directv hasn't reported any exact or approximate figures of the contract so versus quotes are believable. Several posters including moderators have claimed that versus is still asking for high rates of subscription. They haven't produced any evidence to support these claims. That is why I find them to be false and misleading. Believe it or not a few pennies one way or another matters, but whether versus gets moved to the sports pack is the bigger issue. This massively affects the total volume and income generated by directv. Sports pack currently only has cbs college sports channel in national hd catagory. Very weak package. Versushd would strengthen the value of that package at high costs for subscribers. Pick a side.
Personally I don't believe anything either side is saying, nor would lack of or flood of information really mean anything to me.
Really I put DTV ahead here for actually keeping their mouths shut about prices and negotiating tactics and leave that stuff to the negotiating room.
When the NHL is in bed with comcrap owners and Dolan, I will worry about them doing something stupid.
The latest twitter exchange:
Came across this story. Quoting and paraphrasing here:"..(03-12) 13:11 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --
A federal court Friday upheld regulations that require cable TV companies to make sports programming and other channels they own available on equal terms to rival TV providers such as satellite companies....The rules require Comcast Corp., for instance, to make channels that it owns — including E! Entertainment, Versus and the Golf Channel — available to rivals such as DirecTV Inc., Dish Network Corp., AT&T Inc.'s U-Verse video service and Verizon's FiOS video service...."
The full article:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...12/financial/f080515S08.DTL&feed=rss.business
Then there is this Twitter conversation:"Court OKs TV rules opposed by Comcast, Cablevision http://is.gd/aq4hn /Does this mean Versus will return quickly to @DirecTV?"
Directv reply:"# @smartwatermelon this is an important ruling and a win for consumer choice, but is unrelated to our negotiations about 7 hours ago via Assistly in reply to smartwatermelon "
"unrelated to our negotiations?"...
And the song remains the same :nono:
This makes them available, but like in the case of Versus contract negotiations can be the hold back.
I can understand "negotiations" and that both sides need to "strut their stuff" but geez after 7 months I think both have made their point and now its time to git'r dun!!
Based on the comments of many posters here, it's quite evident that many of you have never been involved in high level major business negotiations. That's not unusual of course, because unless you're an executive or high level supply chain manager, you've likely never been exposed to it. But for those of us who have been exposed (such as myself - 19 year supply chain manager and graduate of the Karrass effective negotiating seminars), what you are seeing here is extremely typical of multi-million dollar negotiations.
The general public won't be privy to the negotiation details, so why would you even try to form an opinion on the status of the talks or which side might be more "truthful" based on their statements or who has released / not released certain information? To even attempt to do so is shear lunacy, because a factual opinion can only be formed by processing all of the facts. None of us will have enough of the information necessary to do so, which is why some of the posts made make me go "what in the heck were YOU thinking". :lol:
Often - but not always - the side who talks to the public the most is the side who is having trouble holding their position. That's why they float information (or misinformation) to the public in order to either gauge public opinion, or prod the public to push back on the other side (which seams to happen a LOT on this forum based on many posters statements).
A few pennies or 6 million subscribers can make a huge difference to a companies bottom line. Based on the stakes here, it's no shock to me that the negotiations have strung out as long as they have. At the end of the day, someone's job will likely be lost by how the final deal plays out.
We need to let the process play out until these two sides get their deal signed. Of course we'd all like that to be RIGHT NOW - me included. However, the only thing you can do is either hold out and wait for a solution (likely the better choice given what we DO know about the negotiations), find a stop gap measure to watch the programing you want to watch, or switch providers. But exercise extreme caution - if you make a decision based on partial or faulty information, you're likely to be very unhappy a few weeks or months down the road...
PS - no, I don't work for any sat, cable or content provider. The only dog I have in this fight is my ability to watch the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
Nobody likes a smart a$$!
that is one of the most inteligent posts on the matter. The only real power the consumer has is to take their money and go home. But that still doesn't solve the problem of being able to watch Versus, but it does send a message that you are sick of their BS and being treated poorly. Lets face it, until consumers start dropping pay tv over rate increases we will keep seeing them. It is stupid that a provider has to pay for ABC/CBS/NBC when they are making a killing on advertising and it is available for free over the air. I can see a small fee for administration/maintence. I like my local sports programming but can live without it, I am just sick of corporate america fleecing the public.
badhabit2112 . Good post from someone familiar with this type of contract. BUT whether its a $5 deal or millions the only difference is the number of 0s, and the only people happy about the length of these talks are the lawyers for both sides. No matter how glorified we make the negotiating process sound, its still make point A, make point B, then compromise.
cbs college sports is in choice extra I have seen no notes that is it being moved out. When espn classic was moved out they made note of it. Also Did direct tv Want to make a mini sports pack? as some of talk said a NEW sport pack?
They did make a mini movie pack so why not have a mini sports pack (no rsn's)?
also there was roomer over them useing VS to get CSN philly not that the fcc new law is out that may in tied in to what has been going on over the pass few days.
I wonder if they’re thinking down to the half penny.
It should not take 6+ months for a compromise
Dont ask saucony for tonight winning lottery #'s.
If Versus was turned on today, he'd be correct. Here's to hoping.
If D* gives VS a 20% increase for a very low rated network,it exposes them to future problems from other networks.
If VS is worth a 20% increase, then why shouldn't USA or TNT ask for 40 or 60% increase ? They are both have higher ratings than VS.
Has a channel ever lit up after 6:00am that day ?
if negotiations are that tough..then how come that ABC's negotiations lasted like less then one day last weekend..? 10 minutes in to the oscars it was settled.. period..
I have premier so I don't know when it was moved. I just went to directv.com and printed the channel list for choice extra. CBS College Sports HD channel is not listed. Click on their sports pack link and it is featured right on that page. Again I restate factually that there isn't squat for national hd channels in the sports pack. There are lots of regional hd sports channels. And only cbscshd for national sports. And i'm pretty sure directv has publically made it known that they want versus moved to the sports pack. My numbers are close and I used the word "about" a zillion times. These negotiations are over "about" $1 million a month. That is a lot of money to me. But for 2 companies that gross billions each month it isn't all that much money. No special schooling here. Just basic math and common sense.