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VIP 211 Hard Drive

Discussion in 'ViP211(411)/211K/222 Support Forum' started by amahdi, May 16, 2008.

  1. Skootch

    Skootch New Member

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    That's what I thought, but why would Mary tell me otherwise? Also, why would a Dish tech who posted here state he is using a 1.5TB drive? Has anyone tried anything above 1 TB and had it work? With external drives being so cheap nowadays, I want to get the biggest I can.
     
  2. thomasjk

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  3. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Perhaps it's time to make new tests: try 1.5 and 2 TB drives.
    We got new FW recently for 211, for sure.
     
  4. surfdude85

    surfdude85 AllStar

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    Keeping up subject on this thread, Office Depot just put in there ad, a seagate 1 tb freeagent "goflex" ehd for 59.99. Will this ehd work with my 211? Just wondering? Would like to upgrade from 500 to 1 tb, if I could... Thanks in advance for your help here...
     
  5. newsman

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    If it is powered by USB, no. If it has an external power source, yes it SHOULD work.
     
  6. Ray C@DISH Network

    Ray C@DISH Network DISH Representative DISH Representative

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    surfdude85,

    The following is the requirements for the EHD on any of our receivers:

    Requirements
    EHD must have the following features:
    USB 2.0
    External power source (not powered by the receiver’s USB port)
    Minimum size of 50GB
    Maximum size of 2TB for DVR receivers/1TB for non-DVR receivers - 211, 211k, 411 receivers
     
  7. surfdude85

    surfdude85 AllStar

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    Thanks, up and running great. 99 hours of HD, and 350 of SD. works for me. Thanks guy's..
     
  8. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Time to correct old records, at least for one model with FW L5.63: ViP211 is working with 1.5 TB drives; when it's empty, it has 147h45m/591h00m free for HD/SD recordings.

    Partition1: 2 GiB, P2: 256 MB, P3: 1.498 TiB.

    Who want to check 2 TB drive ?
     
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    No one :(.

    OK, I did the test for you, again. Perhaps someone with 3 TB would check if there is no limit now ?

    ViP211, L5.63, WD WD20EADS: empty 2 TB drive - 197h26m/789h45m for HD/SD.

    Partition1: 2 GiB, P2: 256 MB, P3: 1.998 TiB.
     
  10. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    How good is your empty drive for ViP211/411/211k ? Post your results and I'll update the table.

    [TABLE]Size TB|HD time|SD time|FW|P3 size GiB|HD/SD days
    0.25|23h33m|94h15m|L5.63|247.7|1/3.9
    0.5|48h26m|193h45m|L5.63|497.8|2/8.1
    0.75|(73h15m)|(293h0m)|L5.63|(747.8)|(3.1/12.2)
    1.0|98h7m|392h30m|L5.63|997.9|4.1/16.4
    1.5|147h45m|591h00m|L5.63|1,498|6.2/24.6
    2.0|197h26m|789h45m|L5.63|1,998|8.2/32.9
    3.0|(296h47m)|(1,187h9m)|L5.63|(2,998)|(12.4/49.5)
    [/TABLE]

    If my Excel skills are still good, then here are the equations and calculated values in ():
    Thd = 5960.9x - 75.552 min
    Tsd = 23843x - 300.07 min
    P3s = 1000.2x - 2.3229 GiB
    where is x = HDD size in TB.

    PS, After looking at the formulas, I see some solid points:
    - P3 size is equal total size minus 2 GiB for P1 and 256 MB for SWAP (duh!)
    - reserve for internal needs is equivalent to 300 min of SD time or 75 of HD time
    - estimate 1 min of SD should take 42 MB and 1 min of HD - 168 MB space

    3TB row is just a math exercise.
     
  11. BobaBird

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  12. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Good idea - perhaps I should pass all my tests to you first and then post an URL as answer.
     
  13. karrank%

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    Searched here but no answers, apologies if it's been previously covered.

    I have a 211k w/ 640GB EHD and wondered how the DVR works, or doesn't, as you approach the upper limit of the HDD storage.

    Will it say something like "no more recording tll you make more room"

    Will it delete the oldest recordings?

    Will it compress what you have left to make more room?
     
  14. Ray C@DISH Network

    Ray C@DISH Network DISH Representative DISH Representative

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    I have not run across this so I will need to research this for you. I can only assume it would be handled by deleting the oldest recording to make room for the new one but again let me check to make sure. Thanks.

     
  15. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Ray, you could add to the your research about EHD another question of the kind ?
    We have big HDD now (2TB) and total number of recordings is maxed to 1000, what will happen when the number will be reached ?

    BTW, there is another bug (?) - number of recordings is wrong, it's not counting recordings inside of 'folders'.
     
  16. karrank%

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    Thx Ray, I haven't exceeded the limit (yet) but noticed what seemed like a huge difference in quoted remaining time, SD vs. HD and that got me curious exactly what the behavior of the system is as it approaches its storage limits.
     
  17. Ray C@DISH Network

    Ray C@DISH Network DISH Representative DISH Representative

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    There is a limit of 999 events each that can be stored on an EHD and internal HD . Once you exceed this number, the receiver will reboot. Folders and each recorded event counts as 1 item. There is not a limit to the number of EHDs you can use but 999 events is the limit. This is a receiver hardware limit.

     
  18. BobaBird

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    Ray, is that each or combined?
     
  19. karrank%

    karrank% AllStar

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    Thx for looking into it Ray; am I missing something or can this event number (999--anyone there know this Cain fellow:D) be translated into a storage (GB) limit?
     
  20. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Post#330 has the formulas, just use them.

    Because only you would know how long EACH record on your EHD.
     

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