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Virginia man says Walmart suspected him of kidnapping his kids because they’re biracial

Discussion in 'The OT' started by fluffybear, May 28, 2013.

  1. James Long

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    The grand leap of logic. The problem reported was "white guy in possession of black children". There was no complaint about who the white guy was married to. You have invented a problem that did not exist.

    The family you saw was a more complete picture ... what you assumed were a father mother and child. I hope your assumption was right and the next time you see that child is not on a missing poster. Of course, if there was nothing else to make you suspicious you're probably OK.
     
  2. fluffybear

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    We are talking about the safety of a child and any parent should understand that!

    Last October, a Peachtree City Police officer visited my home after someone (a teacher no less) observed my 8 year old walking home alone and concerned that the child was home alone and felt it was necessary to call the schools police officer. Initially, I was a little angry but as the officer and I were talking I began to realize that while the teacher over reacted, she did it because she genuinely was concerned. How can you fault that?


    I know had I been there and observed something strange (we don't know all the details since Wal-Mart and the reporting individual are not talking) that I probably would have mentioned something to security as well. I'd rather be wrong than knowing I could have done something and didn't..
     
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    We don't even know if that was the report. Since Wal-Mart nor the concerned citizen are not talking, we really don't know what they saw or what was said.
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    The police said Wal-Mart called... the mother called Wal-Mart, and the security guy said a customer said "they didn't look right"... not "they were doing something" or "the guy was doing something"... just "they didn't look right"... and then Wal-Mart and the alleged customer who complained have said nothing further. IF there was an actual witnessing of the father doing something potentially wrong, the mother might have wanted to know that... so they should have told her OR the police more than just "they didn't look right".

    No leap here... The guy's children actually look like him if you look at the pictures... so anyone who saw them well enough to say "they didn't look right" should have seen a white man with black children that resemble him... so you pretty much logically conclude biracial.

    As for my assuming... so... are you saying that every time you are out somewhere you always question all adults to prove the kids with them are theirs? That seems to be what you are saying... trying to "guilt" me into thinking I should say something by "I hope your assumption was right"... really? So we all now should always question anyone we ever see with kids because you never know, right? That can't be the suggestion here.
    And that's a huge part of my point. IF Wal-Mart or the "concerned citizen" have some valid reason... why didn't they tell the police? The police had no further info about the actual complain himself...

    Further... IF you are out somewhere and genuinely suspect a problem with a kid you see... I put to you that it is NOT enough to find a security guard and say "they don't look right"... That assuages your guilt? I'm telling you right here that IF I ever suspected something going on, I would not only tell a security person... but I would call the police myself AND I would stay with that security guard and try to keep the suspected people at the store until police arrived.

    How suspicious was this "concerned citizen" that he (or she) and the security guard called police and let things go... IF this was a serious situation, the guy didn't go straight home you know... he picked up his wife on the way... but if he had been an abductor then he had plenty of time to get away or do something badly.

    So... I argue to you that the "concerned citizen" and security guy did FAR TOO MUCH for a non-issue and FAR TOO LITTLE if they truly thought those kids were in danger. There is no defensible position here, which is I suspect why someone up high told people at that Wal-Mart to stop talking about it.
     
  5. fluffybear

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    Not everyone carries a cell phone so the only person they may have had no other choice but to report the issue to 'Security'.

    I believe the police advise people not to get directly involved and to just get a license plate # and report it. Here in Peachtree City, getting out of the Wal-Mart takes a good 5 minutes because of the way the store parking lot is laid out but I have been to some where the store is close enough to road where all it takes no time at all to be off the property and gone. It is very possible by the time the citizen got to security that the person was already off Wal-Mart property.
     
  6. James Long

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    To say that this person was reported because he was part of an interracial couple is wrong. You're stretching again Stewart.
     
  7. joshjr

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    Come on James, I think its easy to think that. Three black kids with a white man. I doubt the person who reported it even really looked that close at anything else.
     
  8. Rich

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    That's a really good point.

    I would also like to point out that once someone reports something out of the ordinary, the responsibility falls upon the person it is reported to. I think.

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  9. Rich

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    If you don't think racism is alive and well in this country, you're deluding yourself.
     
  10. James Long

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    It could just as easily have been a white couple who adopted or fostered black children. Perhaps the person who thought "this doesn't look right" was thinking "black doesn't belong with white" ... but without seeing THE COUPLE it is an exaggeration to say the person didn't like interracial couples. That is not the only way of getting "mismatched" children.

    There is more to this story. Since we don't have the person who reported this to ask about their motivations (and never will) all we can do is assume. And apparently people in this thread like to assume the worse ... that this person was a bigot who does not like interracial couples.

    Isn't it funny that the unknown person who is the target of this thread is being chastised for assuming the worse when they saw a white man with black children yet the people posting in this thread get a free pass when assuming the worse about the person who reported what they believed was a crime in progress?
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    Did you read the article, James? And did you look for other articles? I saw the video interview with the family too... and the family sure believes it was racially motivated, based on the conversation the mother had with the Wal-Mart manager and security guard who told her what was said.
     
  12. James Long

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    Did you speak to the person who thought it looked suspicious? Has that person been interviewed by the press and defended themselves? You're getting one side of the story ... a side that wants to make the other side look as bad as possible.

    "Didn't look right" can mean a lot of things. It doesn't instantly mean a dislike of interracial couples.
     
  13. trh

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    And as Walter Cronkite reportedly said:
     
  14. joshjr

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    And just why do you think the person reporting it has not came forward James? Is it because they so strongly believe they did the right thing?
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    But that's the problem... the other side has clammed up. IF there was a valid reason, it would be really easy for the other side to step up and say "I thought I saw the father do something but turns out I might have been mistaken" or something... the fact that the other side has gone silent is not helping the cause IF they want to assure the family that there was no racial bias.

    The family talked to the police and Wal-Mart before going to the news... had the mother gotten a proper response from Wal-Mart or the complaining customer, then I doubt this would have ever made the news. The family went to the news when they had no other alternative to try and find out what happened.
     
  16. James Long

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    The family has a history of being racially profiled. Which makes it easy for them to jump to the conclusion that EVERYTHING is a racially motivated attack ... even to the point of Stewart's leap that this was someone who did not like interracial marriage even though the couple was not seen by the person who was suspicious.

    As for the suspicious person not stepping forward now ... would you? Honestly? If you had made a mistake and were now being anonymously vilified in the media as a racist would you want to remove the anonymity? Honestly?

    Being anonymously considered a racist sure is a lot better than being publicly accused by name.

    Without talking to the person who saw what they saw in the Walmart parking lot as suspicious we will not know what they considered to be a odd about the situation. All we have are the assumptions of a family who saw it as a racially motivated attack on their way of life. It may have just been a weird feeling about seeing a guy with three young children and no mother present. Perhaps there is more to the story than the "victims" are stating (a fussy child wanting her mommy?).

    If one can assume without evidence that the person who reported their suspicions MUST be a racist than it is fair to assume that we're not getting the full story from the victims. No one will prove them wrong. But that does not make their assumption correct.
     
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    To be fair, the individual who reported it may not even know what is going on. Not everyone watches or reads the news so there. There is also the possibility the person may not want to come forward out of embarrassment.
    Wal-Mart does have policies about what information they can and will release. Wal-Mart gave the woman an answer but from the article it sounds as if she was pressing them to say what she wanted to hear.
     
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    Ok then, you are the security guard in question, a customer has just approached you and reported seeing something that "just doesn't look right" with some kids being put in a car and driven away. The person either can't or won't clarify any further, just states that soemething just didn't match up.

    What do you do? Knowing that it is now "your responsibility"...
     
  19. Rich

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    My fear would be something happening to the kids and having the person that notified me standing up in court and saying, "I told him there was something wrong."

    For instance, if a safety matter came up and was reported to me (when I was working) and I did nothing about it and someone was injured by that safety concern, I'd be held liable and, if the injury was bad enough or the person died, I could have been imprisoned. How this affects a WalMart "guard", I have no idea, but I kinda think the same thing would apply.

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    Just as an aside, I don't think I've ever seen a security guard at a WalMart. Perhaps they're in mufti? But, how would anyone know he was a security guard? I know several stores that have folks in civvies walking around and watching for theft, but uniformed security guards?

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