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VOD a misnomer?

Discussion in 'Service - DIRECTV On Demand CE Versions' started by BreezeCJ, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. BreezeCJ

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    A) What kind of speed are you getting with DSL ? (www.speedtest.net)
    60 seconds sounds awfully quick for DSL. My 1.6Mbps would never be able to get those results.

    B) I've been with D* for almost 12 years, spent plenty of $$$ getting an 2 entire homes wired and connected to four TV's. I easily could have chosen cable but didn't.

    C) Did I expect VOD 12 years ago? No, but Comcast has offered the service for at least the past 2 years, and for what it's worth, they didn't ask subscribers to meet a minimum bandwith requirement in order to access the service.

    D) I thought these forums were available to discuss Directv and their methods of providing the service? If someone chooses to question a perceived shortcoming, do they really need to be berated for it?

    I've loved DTV from day one, warts and all. It's why I chose to be a CE tester.

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  2. MikeW

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    I'm getting 6M down through Qwest with "price for life" of $34.95. I don't mean to sound "berating", just saying that there are physical limitations that D* must play in. To me, their offering is quite satisfying. I know that high speed internet is different from one place to the next. Personally, I was going to purchase a beautiful house in the country for about $50k less than I bought my current house. One of the qualifiers was the availability of high speed internet. It wasn't available in the boonies, so I settled for a house in a typical neighborhood.
     
  3. Cyrus

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    I think there was talk of them using satellite for VOD also. But I don't believe it's possible for a specific set top box to request something from a satellite. So most likely satellite VOD is something (e.g. popular movies, etc) that they push to all hr20s under showcases.
     
  4. tpm1999

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    I think the original post wasnt that harsh to Directv and its use of the name VOD.

    I have relatives with cable VOD and their speeds shatter what I can do so far with Directv's service.

    To make this a much more competitive service, and since directv does not supply the internet access needed, I think Directv should shift its model more towards what xbox live does for tv/movies.

    No, I dont mean those stupid mspoints that you have to buy. I mean treating it as a dowload service. If directv gave info like, size of show (in megabytes, gigabytes) that will go a long way in having a person decide to download it or not.

    I never had expectations that directv's vod would be as fast as cable's, but the main issue is, would the common user have that misconception (partially caused by naming of the service)?
     
  5. bmerrow

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    VOD allows you to watch as soon as download is under way and assuming your DSL download is 1-to-1 or better it will work. For SD this is viable on DSL (probably - I have not tested it but the math works with some room).

    And, for faster internet connections this will be usable for HD - Optimum Online 10Mb rated service delivered better than 10Mb to me (measured 11-12Mb when I had it) and their 30Mb seems to be spot on 30Mb.
    This is IMHO adequate for HD plus side internet browsing and even VOIP.

    Folks lucky enough to have fios will have an even better experience with VOD.
     
  6. DerekVM

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    On my FIOS 20/5 line I have no problem streaming VOD. I can start watching HD content ~1 min after I have started a download, and play the entire show without interruption.

    This is all why the wife is streaming audio and surfing on her PC. Also tons of local traffic on 6 devices (2 wireless), but that doesn’t seem to be a factor.
     
  7. Earl Bonovich

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    To the OP's point...

    I don't think it a "misnomer".... because it doesn't match the "definition" Cable's Video On Demand....

    It is still "On-Demand" as you are not waiting for some broadcaster to air the programming...

    It isn't "Instant-On-Demand", which isn't the case for all Cable-Co...

    As another user pointed out... there is absolutely no way they will be able to use the SAT stream for user-selected, "on-demand" programming.
     
  8. syphix

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    a) My DSL is 2 Mbps. I'm the weakest link in my experience of DirecTV on Demand. That's my fault for living in the country.

    b) My DSL is 2 Mbps. And I live 20 miles from the closest city/town! Fields roll outside my front and back doors, and I can see every star in the Milky Way on a clear night. No sounds of neighbors, kids, or traffic! Only crickets, birds, coyotes and an occasional "moo" from a cow. And I still get DSL @ 2 Mbps. I consider myself pretty lucky. My speed will only increase (it's jumped from 1 to 2 in just a year), and my experience with DirecTV on Demand will only get better.

    c) Yes, MANY days I do want to give up my cell phone, laptop & internet connection. "Instant gratification" isn't only limited to VOD, you're correct. But come on...ya gotta give D* props for their implementation of DoD...they're delivering television over an uncontrollable delivery method: the internet. And it's working pretty nice for most!

    d) Did you even see my ":)" ? ;)
     
  9. bgartz

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    People need to understand that this is not exactly the same as what Comcast offers. But playing with it for a few days I like it much more. First I get to queue up what I want. I can start watching within a minute or 2. Also all of the programs that are downloaded are in my playlist. This makes it easy to go back and finish watching something later.

    I also like the fact that I get add a bunch to the queue, go to bad, and when I get up in the morning, they are all there and ready to watch.

    As for folks who are complaining about the PQ, go look at the Comcast offering, and you will see that the DOD has better PQ.
     
  10. richlife

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    After reading all this, I think everyone needs to lighten up.

    The OP expressed an opinion and then seemed to be driven to defend it -- too much extremism all around. Others beat him up for pointing out a problem -- namely, the DOD we see now is too slow to be really satisfying (I'm with Syphix -- way out in the country). This is an HD comment (I'm not spoiled, I just realize that I won't watch SD at all if HD is available and in less then two years we can pretty much eliminate SD for everyone).

    Do I think it will get better? YES! But the current problem with download speed for HD content needs to be emphasized to D* -- they are attempting to be the HD leader. I'll use VOD (even for HD content) on occasion, but at this speed it will never be a staple part of my TV viewing.
     
  11. Ken S

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    Earl,

    By your definition NetFlix and Amazon are "On-Demand". I guess telling my wife to pickup a video at the store is "On-Demand" too...

    I understand that the DirecTV marketers want to have something to put on their checklist. Soon we'll have On-Demand Gold, Silver, Ultra, Titanium, etc. oops and the ever-popular "extreme" or...of course, "Xtreme".

    Once again...before the hate starts (not from you) I think the DoD service is pretty good. If they put the real popular stuff on the satellite it'll be even better. I thought the PQ on the SD stuff was quite good. I hope they can get a lot of quality content..because in the end that's what it's really all about.
     
  12. wjcarpenter

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    I suppose folks realize this, but most of this somewhat emotional thread isn't written this way....

    • Cable invents these high-bandwidth services like VOD in part specifically because they know satellite has a tough time with them due to "the laws of physics".
    • Because this was a pretty successful marketing effort by cable, satellite pretty much had to respond with something they could list in the brochures as sounding like the same thing.

    Anyone who believes VOD is mostly about "what the customers want" instead of about cable and satellite competing with each other, well, I don't think you've been following along for the last 20 years. Features like VOD are aimed at new customers, not you folks who have been customers for many moons.

    (Not to beat a dead horse, but that's also why the 50 SL limit isn't much of a priority. Anyone who is already upset about it is either a long-term loyalist customer or is locked into a fairly recent 2-year commitment. No prospective DVR sign-up is going to be upset about it.)
     
  13. Ken S

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    VoD may be about competing with satellite/cable/fiber, etc, but it's more about taking market share from retail/mail order video outlets. In addition anytime you can offer a service that existing customers will pay for it's a good thing. There will be plenty of PPV on DoD. I'd be surprised if all of the PPV channels aren't all converted/duplicated to DoD over time.

    In the long-run the satellite vs cable fight won't net either a lot of additional revenue...but taking it from Blockbuster, Netflix, Amazon, Walmart, Apple iTunes, etc has got to be compelling. Wouldn't be all that hard for an enterprising provider to also sell music in a similar way.
     
  14. wjcarpenter

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    Yeah. It may not be worthwhile to try to figure out what is the main driver. The real point, which we're both saying, is that it's about customer acquisition (and/or, as you point out, incremental revenue). It's not really about making the service better in some altruistic way.
     
  15. psweig

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    I couldn't agree more. After all this is a CE beta, anything I see that I feel is wrong I'm going to mention. If it was an NR I would complain loud and long. :eek2:
     
  16. wismile

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    Back to the original question...is VOD a misnomer?

    I don't think so. The system may not be as fast as OnDemand...but it does give you the video you demand. Nobody said it was instant delivery.

    Is "OnDemand a misnomer? after all I can't demand just any video I have to take what's offered.

    Perhaps they should both refer to their services as "The Videos we Want to Offer Pretty Fast"?
     
  17. Mixer

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    I don;t think the poster was saying the whole movie is downloaded in 60 seconds but rather within 60 seconds he can be watching it.

    In my case I have 5MB DSL and with a 30 minute program I can start watching it at 3% (a minute or so) and get through the entire thing without ever losing the buffer. Tonight I am going to try starting at 2%. I was able to do an 11 minute video as soon as I queued it up. Yes that is Video on Demand.
     
  18. hdtvfan0001

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    I think it should be called VDR - Video Download by Request...

    That reflects both what it is and how it works. It may also set the right expectations in terms of performance.
     
  19. armophob

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    Doesn't this all have to do with how D* advertises the product? I skip commercials so I cannot say I have seen one yet. But are they already advertising VOD and misrepresenting it? If it were not for this forum, I would not even have known what VOD stood for, and I constantly have to explain it to co-workers. Websters says "misnomer"a wrong name or inappropriate designation . VOD is defined as systems either "stream" content, allowing viewing in real time, or "download" it in which the program is brought in its entirety to a set-top box before viewing starts.

    So, unless D* advertises it as instant viewing, then no, it is not a misnomer.
     
  20. Earl Bonovich

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    Actually... yes, I do think NetFlix video to PC, is "On-Demand".
    As well as the features that TiVo offers to hit Amazon...

    And yes, you could say going to send your wife to the video store, could be "on-Demand" as well.

    Are those Cable-Co's that offer this type of service, that don't have it start right away... are those not "On-Demand" either?
     

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