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VOD Fee?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Link, Feb 24, 2004.

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  1. Tyralak

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    No, it's not entirely baseless. I'm fine with it being levied on Dish subsidided recievers, but not the recievers you pay full price for. Also, you're forgetting about the lease fee. They're actually making $10 a month on DVRs, which actually adds up to $240 for 2 years. There should be no DVR fee for recievers that the customer purchased. Especially ones like the 921 where the customer pays a huge amount of money to become a beta tester.
     
  2. Slordak

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    I must have bad timing, because I had to pay $250 to get my 508, so I didn't get anything for free. Basically, the deal at the time was that a pair of 301s and installation was free, but if you wanted one of the 301s upgraded to a 508, you had to pay $250, so I did. At least I don't have to pay the DVR fee on the 508, but I don't feel like I got much for free.

    Of course part of it is my own fault; I had to replace the DP-21s with a new DP-34 which I bought to get the 921 up and running, so between the switch and the 921, that's a lot of cost, and now I don't use my free 301 at all.
     
  3. iamaddman

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    I have called at least 5 times to try and get a 510 upgrade for free. It is no longer offered. The cost is ~$124 or $99 is you sign up for CC autopay. I have a problem with paying $100 for a receiver that I am paying a lease fee for as well.
     
  4. BobMurdoch

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    Got a free 510 for a 2 year commitment (which included ANOTHER SW64 and three splitters and another cable run), no VOD fee thanks to AEP. No complaints here.... The $5 additional receiver fee will take 12 YEARS to eat up the $750 I saved from not having to buy a receiver, the SW64, the switches, and the associated labor (AND which the installer they sent turned my rats nest of wires into a work of art by mounting everything on a board, labeling everything, and securing it to my basement wall)...
     
  5. backspace2

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    I am new to this. I am considering a satellite system. If I do end up getting a DVR, what exactly do I need to pay beside the $24.99 programming fee, $5 local and $5 for the 2nd 322. Is Vod the only fee that I need to pay for the rental DVR?
     
  6. jgoggan

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    Since you said "second 322", I assume you were planning to get a DVR510 plus a 322, correct? If so, your monthly fee for the Top-60 w/ locals would be $29.99. You would then pay a VOD fee of $4.98 and a second receiver fee of $4.99. So, I believe that would be $39.96 per month total.

    On a side note, if you decide you are going to sign up for certain, send me a PM with your address and I'll send a ClubDish card out to you -- should get you an extra $50, I believe.

    - John...
     
  7. backspace2

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    Thanks actually the package I was looking at was for 4 TVs or 2 322. I may go with the 2 TVs or 1 322. I thought I can just add the DVR and pay the $5 Vod. The 4 TVs may not work well because I need to do some rewiring. The 2 TVs basically will be the family room TV and the rest of the house TVs on the 2nd line. Do I use this clubdish card to order or for service.

    This is what I am looking at.

    http://www.allsat.com/hardware/322.shtml
     
  8. jgoggan

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    But the 322 isn't a DVR...

    Do you mean change one of the 322s to a 522 (which is a DVR)? Or do you mean that you think that you can just "add DVR" like a service with the $5 VOD fee and use it with the 322? If that is what you mean, then you are confused (probably caused by Dish's poor naming of "Video On Demand").

    In any case, if you want DVR/VOD, you'll need a 522. Of course, the TVs on the 322 would not have DVR abilities. DVR is tied to the receiver, not just a service on the account in general.

    Yes, ClubDish is a program where existing customers are given a couple of cards to give to friends that are going to sign up. You should be able to get the same deal as you otherwise would -- except that you get a $50 credit back on your first bill. We get a referral credit for sending you to Dish. You basically just get a number from the card, call Dish's ClubDish place to order, and pick what you want just like you would if you called Dish without the card (i.e. I don't see any downside for you -- just a possible $50 extra).

    Hope that helps!

    - John...
     
  9. Mainstreet

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    DON'T call the 800 number on the card to order service. Be sure to give the club dish card number to the retailer who you are going to use to get service from before they take your order. You can't just hand it to them at the time of the installation since it is a different promotion than the standard Free Dish or DHA. It entitles you to a waived activation fee.
     
  10. jgoggan

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    Well, the only difference is that you save $25 on shipping/handling if you go through a retailer instead of calling Dish. I had assumed that he was already planning to call Dish, so I just said to call.

    I agree that, if you have a retailer locally that you like, then going to them with the card is a better way to do it -- you save an extra $25.

    Actually, ClubDish is waived activation fee PLUS $50 credit on your first bill...

    - John...
     
  11. Mainstreet

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    You're right, you save $25 up front by not paying shipping from DISH. You also have the added benefit of having a retailer to take care of you along with the option of the DISH 800 number later on if you need something.

    Just like the customers who bought their system directly from DISH who now want to participate in existing customer upgrade promotions - like the 811. They have no option, but to go directly through DISH for the upgrade. Customers who supported retailers can still chose to either use their original retailer or DISH depending on who has faster service.

    I'd say the benefit of using a retailer instead of just calling the 800 number is much greater than $25.

    And, yes you will still get the $49.99 credit on your bill just like regular Free Dish or DHA customers who did pay the $49.99 up front.
     
  12. backspace2

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    I don't have any retailer I like locally. I am more concerned about the installers. Allsat is giving $50 credit but does charge $50 for installation.

    So 322 and 522 are essentially the same except 522 has recording capability. Each 322 or 522 has two tuners to watch two different programming on two different TV at the same time. I will have to order the 522 or 322 the first time since I can only be new customer once.
     
  13. jgoggan

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    Again, ClubDish is the way to go.

    Correct. I believe that your best bet is to do the Dish Home Advantage plan through ClubDish for 4 TVs -- and see what it takes to get a 522 as one of the receivers.

    - John...
     
  14. backspace2

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    The $5 Vod fee is the same no matter how many 522 I have. So I can have 2 322 or 2 522 (as long as they offer for free) for $5 more. Why do I not want two 522? Either two 322 or two 522 or one 322/one 522. Is there a website for clubdish?
     
  15. jgoggan

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    I believe so, yes. There was talk earlier on about the DVR/VOD fee being PER RECEIVER, but I believe it is now PER ACCOUNT.

    My understanding is that there are no Dish promos right now that would allow you to get two DVRs for free. But, I am not that familiar with the leasing program -- which is the one you would be doing based on the receivers you have mentioned. So, maybe it exists -- I just don't know for sure. You can certainly call and ask. You can call ClubDish at 888-920-GIFT and ask what your options might be under the Home Advantage (i.e. leasing) plan and see what you can get. Just tell them that you are just checking, for now, and don't have your card yet.

    Correct -- if you can get two 522s for free, then that'd certainly be better than a 522 and 322 -- and shoudln't be any difference as far as receiver/VOD fees go. But, again, I'm not sure if there is a way to get two 522s for free under any program...

    Yes, it is here, although there isn't a ton of details -- you'll need to call with most questions. Note that the 322 and 522 receivers are only available under the Digital Home Advantage equipment leasing program. Not a big deal, but you just don't own the equipment in the end.

    - John...
     
  16. backspace2

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    Thanks John, I will check out the site. I want to make sure I sign up the best combination as a new customer so I want to make sure I understand as well as I can. I guess I do have costco or bestbuy but I didn't check out their packages.
    :)

    BTW, what type of cable does the tuner/receiver use. Is it coaxial cable? Can I have a splitter from the tuner to the two TVs. Of course they will have the same programming. Looks like it uses RCA cable sot that may not work.
     
  17. jgoggan

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    Exactly. I agree. I really do believe that that ClubDish setup is the best deal right now -- I'm not just saying it for "referral reasons" or anything. If I knew of a better way for you to go, I'd certainly say so.

    Indeed -- I'm not familiar with their deals. So far, the best offers I've seen are pretty much the same as ClubDish except you don't get the extra $50 credit.

    I'm not that familiar with the 322/522s. They are both dual-tuners with dual-outputs, so you're already outputting to two TVs each, correct? If you wanted to take ONE of those outputs and split it to two TVs, you should be able to. The first set of TV outputs appears to have a standard RF output which you could easily split to two TVs with a standard cable splitter. You can likely split Composite (with just Y-cables, I believe) or even S-Video, I would assume, if you had the proper splitter -- I simply haven't done that myself. The second TV output looks similar, but I'm not sure from the picture if it has an RF/coax output also -- so that you could also split that easily. I believe that it does. You could do the composite splitting there. There is no S-Video on the second TV output.

    I actually feed the RF output from my 501 back into the old wall outlet -- which goes to a splitter in my basement and then out to 3 or 4 other house outlets -- so that a TV can be hooked up anywhere really and see what the main TV is seeing. Of course, for the main TV, I'm using the S-Video from the 501 for the better quality.

    Hope that helps you.

    - John...
     
  18. Mainstreet

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    The $4.98 VOD fee is still PER receiver. There is currently no way to get more than one 522 on DHA. There is a maximum of four tuners. There is a maximum of one 522 and two 811's. You could have a 522, and two 510's if you want, but would still pay the $4.98 VOD and $5.00 equipment charge PER 510.

    You don't have any decent retailers? What's your zip code? (you can e-mail it to me if you like: mainstreet@checkyes.tv)
     
  19. backspace2

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    I am in the SF bay area close to Oakland. I said I don't know any decent retailer. I didn't say there isn't any. Retailers really don't make much difference. The price seems to be almost the same. Like I say I am more about the installer not doing a good job and I have to fix any mess.

    I guess 322 and 522 are the lease unit. I guess the 501 or 301 are brought unit. I still haven't figure all these model number yet because there are so many of them.
     
  20. Mainstreet

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    I don't know about your area, but around here customers are more likely to get a hack job by calling the 800 number. Here, the installers employed by DISH are low wage, by-the-hour (or point system), workers who were quite possibly flipping burgers at McD's the week before. If one of them are not sent out, dish uses a subcontractor company. I have had to correct their installations more than once. The latest was just this week. The installer 'had' to mount the dish on the roof. It didn't matter that the customer's roof had about 2.5 inches worth of composite shingles stacked on top of each other with wooden shake shingles under that. The 3" lag screws he used just barely went into the wood, and the first big wind storm we had made the customer lose their signal. When I arrived, the signal meter was showing a 54 signal strength. Where I relocated the dish, it will not have any problem at all with wind. By the way, the installer did not even attempt to ground the dish even though there was a good ground source just around the corner. THIS is what happens around here when customers call the 800 number. ;)

    Shop some local retailers, and then ask for references of their existing customers. I'm sure they will give you someone who has dealt with them before. If you're really worried, go check out an install they have done!

    Please use the 800# as the last resort.
     
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