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Voom... Why the stigma?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by bartendress, Oct 29, 2007.

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  1. Oct 29, 2007 #21 of 170
    tonyd79

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    I have never seen Voom as I am a DirecTV subscriber and it sounds like the PQ and the base set of shows would be interesting.

    I would welcome a Voom subset (like a best of Voom) to DirecTV if they got it. Repetitive gets boring after a while (like MHD needs some new material soon). If they cannot add new material, then a handful of Voom channels (say 2 or 3) with shared content would spread things out a bit.

    I would guess most of the bashing about Voom is because of the amount of bandwidth it takes up now that other channels are coming on line. Expect that bashing to increase when the new channels become more true HD.
     
  2. Oct 29, 2007 #22 of 170
    ScoBuck

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    Look - I'm not knocking VOOM now. As a matter of fact, Cablevision is a big customer of my company, I have spent many hours in their home facility in Bethpage, I have seen VOOM from within their offices. They actually had a big display area in the company waiting area - a virtual WALL OF TELEVISION.

    I am saying that they did NOT provide the standard channel oferings, and things like locals are the MOST important channels people want. They were way ahead of their time, that was a deadly blow to them. At their peak they had ONLY 48,000 subs. BOTH DirecTV and DISH at that time were drawing hundreds of thousands of new subs a quarter - and VOOM was getting at best a trickle.

    The overwhelming majority of people do NOT use OTA when they have a pay provider - enthusiasts do, but the general public does NOT. All the reasons that VOOM died.
     
  3. Oct 29, 2007 #23 of 170
    James Long

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    This really isn't about Voom the DBS service but the Voom channels now offered on E*.

    Voom had more non-Voom HD than any other provider at the time ... including channels the other providers are just catching up with. The point being that they didn't fold because there was a problem with the Voom 21. We can agree that they folded for other reasons.
     
  4. Oct 29, 2007 #24 of 170
    DBS Commando

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    Its the sacrifices of the few that benefit the many. Happens all the time in today's society.

    I'm sure VOOM was great when it was released, but they really have to change with the times. The fact that they don't have commercials is probably why they are not motivated to do anything.
     
  5. Oct 29, 2007 #25 of 170
    Stewart Vernon

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    The thing most intriguing to me is that many of the things used to bash Voom can be applied to other existing channels as well.

    HBO/SHO/Starz/MAX do play new movies in HD... but they also play a lot of old movies, and loop many repeats. Whenever there is a free preview of any of these premiums, I often see lots of movies that I remember watching when I used to subscribe years ago... or worse, 20 years ago. So some of the "they loop the same old movies" comments against Voom apply to the other premiums as well. The only substantial difference is Voom has not shown an ability to acquire recent movies... so that is a fair critique.

    People tout having HBO East and West as an advantage over just having HBO East... and yet that is definately repetitive... so in my opinion wasting bandwidth for a channel just to be 3 hours different than another but have exactly the same content is worse of a bandwidth waster.

    Then there are the "I don't like Treasure" or "I don't like Ultra"... well, truth to tell I don't like those channels either. But someone does... and I also know that channels I like aren't always liked by other people either. So the "I'd rather have channel X than channel Y" seems to apply to many channels whether they be Voom or not.

    Now.. I have been critical of Voom in one way myself. I do not think they have enough content to fill 15 channels. I would rather see 8-10 consolidated with the same programming at about half the bandwidth. Sadly, this also applies to other channels non-Voom. Most of ESPNHD/ESPN2HD could really be covered by ESPNHD and sometimes an alternate for simultaneous events... I also see no point in TBSHD now that baseball is done.

    All the new Discovery family of HD... could almost still have been covered by HD Theater. They definately do not fill their slate of 5 channels with enough HD to justify 5 channels, when they could show what they have for HD with probably 2 channels.

    Even USA/SciFi/Bravo could be covered by UniversalHD. USAHD, by all reports has had a bunch of HD... so maybe it can stand alone.. but SciFi and Bravo could have been covered with the existing UniversalHD if they would show their current series in HD instead of waiting 1+ years.

    Eventually we will have more HD channels... and more HD on those channels... but honestly, almost any critique of Voom can be extended and applied to most of the rest too. There are very few bullet-proof HD channels that exist right now. Even our major broadcast networks only do primetime in HD for the most part, so that's 3-4 hours per night of HD vs the rest of the day.
     
  6. Oct 29, 2007 #26 of 170
    DBS Commando

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    I'm in no way saying OMFG GET RID OF VOOM BECAUSE IT SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS AND I DON'T WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I'm just trying to stress that VOOM does not deserve to to be on 15 channels and yet only offer a very limited amount of programming. Maybe 5-10 channels but 15 is way overkill. Why wouldn't you take the supplementary programming on 5 of those VOOMs, throw them on the others and then offer 5 new national HD channels such as SciFiHD, SPEED, FX, USA HD etc. etc? The addition of just those channels alone would give me (and probably others) a greater satisifaction and show customers that E* is trying to stay on top of the market rather than play number games with D*. The fact that there is a very limited amount of programming over so many channels just plain irks me when E* desperately needs the bandwith right now.
     
  7. Oct 29, 2007 #27 of 170
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    they have a few good channels...i like game play...or the thought of it...problem is...they replay shows from 3 years ago a lot...so that kinda sucks...still cool though.

    monster HD plays the living dead and evil dead movies over and over....and rightly they should be...gotta love the classics!! lol ....oh and anyone who doesn't enjoy Godzilla in HD......come on!

    but yeah the ultra fashion in HD, and painting guy in HD, and the flea market in HD....eehhhhh...to each their own i guess...I happen to be a BIG 10 junkie...being from B10 country it's a big draw for me...just as I'm sure flea marketing in HD is for others! get more bandwith...get more channels...everyones happy.
     
  8. Oct 29, 2007 #28 of 170
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    What I don't understand about your comment is why you never seem to address the question/proposal/idea (whatever you call it) that many people have set out, consolidate some of the VOOM channels. I've seen this comment (I think from you) several times in many threads so maybe you have addressed this before and I just missed it.

    Isn't your argument really the same as (or at least very similar to) "theirs" though?
    THEY say, don't broadcast "that VOOM channel", instead give me "that National network".
    But you say, give me "that VOOM channel" right now instead of "that National network".
    Even if you want that National channel TOO, you still seem to be saying that you'd prioritize VOOM over any of the new channels, which is really what others are saying about the National networks.

    I don't think many actually care too much what you or others watch. If there was plenty of bandwidth then even THEY would say, sure add "that VOOM channel", even if THEY don't want to watch it. That's how the SD market is in a lot of ways. There are ALOT of SD channels on the list that I never even look at, but you don't here people saying take off this SD channel or that very often.

    Funny thing is that I don't actually care that much. I think Dish will catch up soon enough, so I'm happy to sit and wait until they do, not that I have a choice given my contract ;)
     
  9. Oct 29, 2007 #29 of 170
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    I have no bones to pick with VOOM - I couldn't care if they keep it or not personally - and I view it on occasion as posted earlier.

    But to say that it is only people that don't have it are the ones that knock it goes against the facts. Read back thru this and other threads on VOOM - there is in fact a large number of DISH subs that would like to see VOOM reduced to maybe 5 or 8 channles and for DISH to utilize that bandwidth for some of the more mainstream channlels now launching.

    The real problem is that it CAN'T happen - Charlie made the deal in order to get the satellite when VOOM folded - he is locked in to providing the programming for the foreseeable future.

    That's just the way it is - there is no other way to spin it IMHO.
     
  10. Oct 29, 2007 #30 of 170
    James Long

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    The deal to carry the Voom content came AFTER the deal to purchase the Voom satellite, uplink and licenses. E* made a later investment in Voom programming ... 20% IIRC ... but that is NOT connected to the satellite deal. Please don't rewrite the past.
     
  11. Oct 29, 2007 #31 of 170
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    eeeehhh...ok...before speculating that any of those channels you mentioned are equal to compare with voom.....i would check out ratings first...I would have to guess that any one of those channels alone bring in a bigger draw than the VOOM repeats...like I said, I don't have a problem with VOOM....but you cannot compare major channels to any of those....two different levels television. Not to mention E*...correct me if I'm wrong ...is the only MAJOR sat/cable company broadcasting it? Not a lot of people out there screaming about missing it.

    It's clear that since you bring up BTN and sports channels so much that your not a sports fan...thats fine...but think about this....how many sports channels keep coming out.....vs how many VOOM style channels.....compare TBS or USA...who air a lot of repeats sure......but sports channels? National Locals? nah....:nono2:
     
  12. Oct 29, 2007 #32 of 170
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    You recall correctly.
     
  13. Oct 29, 2007 #33 of 170
    Richard King

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    I watched the Minnesota Goofers football game a couple of days after it actually happened. This was either a repeat or somehow the laws of physics have been defeated and they can deliver live programming slower than the speed of light. ;)
     
  14. Oct 29, 2007 #34 of 170
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    You just seem to mention them in most of your replys...thats why. Maybe if you stopped using the same channel in comparison EVERY time, others wouldn't think it, or miss the sarcasm? Not a big deal...just saying...

    What channel? I know BTN shows replayed games during the week, for fans who missed it...So does NFL network...shows the best games of the week for everyone who didn't get the local broadcast....I was referring to the syndicated television shows that TBS and USA...and TNT (?) show...which is fine by me...but are in closer comparison to VOOM programing than sports channels would be.
     
  15. Oct 29, 2007 #35 of 170
    Richard King

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    I probably watch as much VOOM (mostly Rave) as any other channel. I have a PVR event to record all new "Rave Shuffle" programs along with many of the concerts. I use the recorded Shuffle programs, which are about 34 minutes long, to watch while a normal network program is in record mode. By the time I have watched all the good parts of the Shuffle the network program is usually far enough along that I can switch over to it and don't have to contend with any advertising. After watching the Shuffle I will shuffle it off the the external hard drive for eventual archiving to DVD (down rez). By the way, I just caught a band called Grace Potter and the Nocturnals on the Shuffle... great stuff.
     
  16. Oct 29, 2007 #36 of 170
    Richard King

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    It was on BTN, but your reasoning could be used for any repeats. Rave must be repeating concerts and other programs for those who missed it the first time. Ditto for the syndicated programs on TBS, USA, etc.
     
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    i enjoy Gameplay at times..also sunrise earth is pretty cool looking with HD
     
  18. Oct 29, 2007 #38 of 170
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    mmm...not really...games are replayed for the following week...not entire seasons...but i understand what your saying.
     
  19. Oct 30, 2007 #39 of 170
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    I like the VOOM channels. It's really great to be able to watch Samurai 7 on Animania or (from my childhood) UFO and Thunderbirds on Family Room in HD. Yes, the programming is sometimes limited but as my Mom said to me this past Sunday when I was watching Back To The Future on Cinemax--"Ugh, that movie's on every other day!" Seems to me I heard a similar comment above. :)
     
  20. Oct 30, 2007 #40 of 170
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    Cinemax also releases new in demand content each month, as does the other Premium movies channels...again, not a great comparison. Every channel will show repeats, but the ones like FX, SCI FI, Locals, HBO, SHOWTIME, ect. also have big time shows that are high in viewer demand....so i think IF they need to "make room" for new channels, i would think consolidating a couple of VOOMS would bring less fallout from viewers than some of the others mentioned. But like I said before...get more bandwith...for more channels...and nobody has to lose channels they like.
     
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