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VP Cheney shoots campaign contributor

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  1. Bogy

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    So if someone walks up in front of you, that gives you the right to shoot them? My understanding is that Wittington did not come up in front of Cheney, but was rejoining the party. Cheney, in following the quail which had just busted cover, swung the gun and fired, shooting his friend. Having shot quail, they move fast, and fly low. But YOU still have the responsibility to NOT shoot someone else in your party.
     
  2. Bogy

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    Yep, we are living in the past. All the way back to last Saturday. :lol:
    So, did Cheney actually answer the question of how many drinks he had?
     
  3. Tom in TX

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    Nothing! You know all you need to know. The law enforcement agency
    has closed the case. Cheney has told his story. The guy in the hospital is getting better.He's not acusing Cheney of any wrongdoing.
    It was a very unfortunate accident. But guess what, it's over! Time to move on!
    Like I said earlier, it's a slow news week!
    Tom (wing nut) in TX
     
  4. jonstad

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    So, the press praising Bush for how he handled a similar incident is "sickening"??? What if they had vilified him for it? Would that have made you happy?:shrug:

    And refresh my memory! Was Cheney dragged kicking and screaming to the job of Vice-President? I guess then as head of Bush's VP selection team, he should have chosen SOMEONE ELSE!!!:hair::bang
     
  5. Bogy

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    Then as a Republican can you get over and move on from all the old news that is long since settled concerning Democrat politicians? Kennedy, Clinton & Clinton?
     
  6. Tom in TX

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    No, I've changed my mind. We should appoint a Special Prosecutor, and launch a full scale investigation. I mean, really, it could rise to the level of High Crimes, and Misdemeanors, resulting in Impeachment proceedings. It could be construed as "Attempted Murder". So we should definitely keep on this relentlessly! I'm sure the President is a co-conspirator, so the investigation should include him, also. And the so-called "victim". What do we "really" know about him. And the South Texas Sheriff's Department - they could be involved in a cover-up at the highest level! We should also include, in the investigation, the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, as they are also suspect in this case. Also, Lynn Cheney has been silent in this matter, so we should include her, too. And, last, but not least, we should include the "alleged " quail in question. That bird could have been a foreign operative, in disguise, so we can't rule him/her out! This has, possibly, global ramifications. I'm sure that "Big Oil" is involved in some capacity! After all, Cheney doesn't do anything that doesn't involve his cronies at the Oil companies!
    Bogy - you're on to something! The American public will thank you for pursuing this!Tom (wing nut) in TX
     
  7. Bogy

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    I knew that putting it in those terms would convince you. This has got to be just as important as an Arkansas land deal. Considering inflation I would say we should expect expenses on the special prosecutor's unlimited budget to run at least $80 million.
     
  8. DonLandis

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    "So, did Cheney actually answer the question of how many drinks he had?"

    Yes, Bogy, he said he had one beer at lunch. This was about 5 1/2 hours before the shooting.

    I don't think the Democrats would just go away if Cheney had come forward himself Saturday night with a simple apology to all, especially to his friend and his friend's family for the accident. I say he should have done this as soon as possible which should have been Saturday night after the EMT's had him. He could have done it jointly with the one who he selected to talk to the Press. Cheney, said he chose to wait because he didn't know the outcome. I don't buy that, Sorry, we still don't know the outcome. Cheney could have simply stated what was known and refuse to speculate for the dirt thursty reporters who would no doubt pounce on his to speculate. Those facts Saturday night would have been a short description of the accident followed by his apology to the family and his friend and to the people for having to bring then this unfortunate story. That's it. Too bad he made a huge blunder and failed to do that simple good faith announcement. As it stands today, he has lost my respect for not having done that. The enemies of the present administration were just handed a gift by Dick Cheney by his failure to come forward expediently. Waiting to speak exclusively to Brit Hume now looks like he was forced to do that against his will to remain in hiding. IMO, he comes off as a coward by his after accident actions.

    It is said that everyone human makes mistakes. But to ignore your mistakes and hide from them is the makings of a coward. To come forward and do the right thing that is expected of you based on your position, is the makings of a hero.
     
  9. Bogy

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    I have found that being proactive in stating what you have done is much better than waiting around for others to interpret your actions. This goes for positive as well as negative actions. Taking the attitude that it is no one's business what you do, and you will tell them what you think they need to know when you think they need to know it does not work in a public position. In my own role as a local pastor, I used to take a similar position. But the role of pastor, while public, is also often not very visible to most of the people in a congregation. I now make sure the church leaders at the very least have a fairly detailed idea of what I have been doing, so that nobody has to speculate and wonder why something hasn't been done. My leaders know I either HAVE done it, or why my schedule kept me from doing it. And if something goes wrong, those same leaders know what it is, and what my understanding of the problem is. Communication. From day one, this administration has had no clue about communication, and they have taken the attitude that they don't care. Its catching up to them.

    BTW, my question comes from the conflicting accounts still being tossed around this morning about what and when something was inbibed.
     
  10. jonstad

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    Excellent analysis Don.

    I have only two bones of contention.

    First, Cheney may very well have had only one beer at lunch hours before. And I see no reason to doubt that although Ms. Armstrong had previously stated that NO alcohol was consumed that day. Nevertheless, without other evidence or testimony, I take him at his word. But there's the bite, ain't it? Because the announcement was delayed, and the sheriff acceded to an interview the following morning after all participants could get their stories straight, the question will always remain open if there WAS alcohol related to the accident. This is of course another consequence of Cheney's decision not to release the news immediately and/or allow investigators to interview the witnesses and participants ASAP. And there will always be a nagging suspicion Cheney choose the course he did precisely because there were a few flasks circulating on that brisk Texas afternoon, and 12+ hours were needed for all traces to be absorbed and the proper story fabricated.

    Again, there's nothing to back up such a theory. But, because of the delay, especially the interviews by the sheriff, there's nothing to refute it either.

    And second, of course the media would pounce all over this. That's what they do and they do it on nearly every issue. So if you thought they were dregs before, your mind will not be changed. However, if Cheney had come forward immediately, as you so wisely suggest he should have, it would be largely forgotten already by the mainstream press. The story would have by now become merely fodder for comedians. And let's face it, whether Cheney likes it or not, this will be a large part of his legacy as Veep, just like Dan Quail and "potatoe" and Al Gore "inventing the internet". "Dead-eye Dick" jokes will be around until we forget Cheney ever was Vice-President. And hopefully some day we CAN forget!:yesman:
     
  11. jonstad

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    I wanted to come back to this one Bogy. You forgot one very important part.

    In every case Bush and his neocon flunkies will be sure to point out "this is not a good issue for the Democrats to pursue". I guess maybe it's guilt over being in control now that prompts them to offer this sage advice.:rolleyes: Or maybe because of their higher moral fiber, they just can't help themselves. Maybe THAT's the "compassionate" in compassionate conservative? They feel sorry for the poor Democrats and feel an obligation to help out by telling them which issues will work for them and which won't. Republicans always root for the underdog, right?:sure:

    The sad part is the Democrats often appear gullible enough to believe them.:nono:
     
  12. DonLandis

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    "First, Cheney may very well have had only one beer at lunch hours before. And I see no reason to doubt that although Ms. Armstrong had previously stated that NO alcohol was consumed that day. Nevertheless, without other evidence or testimony, I take him at his word. But there's the bite, ain't it? Because the announcement was delayed, and the sheriff acceded to an interview the following morning after all participants could get their stories straight, the question will always remain open if there WAS alcohol related to the accident."

    Yep, but that also DOES venture into the zone of conspiracy theory. I agree that based on the theory that the "fish stinks from the head down" I would think that what you stated the conflict of stories, that some form of "handling" of the situation without regard to how it will look to a reasonably human nature-wise person would look. When you venture down the path of fishy stories one person may be able to keep all the "false facts" straight but a group? No chance.

    I'm sorry, but not coming forward himself was a huge mistake, unless as you suspicion, there was a need to coverup something that was not in the region of pure and simple accident due to careless weapon handling.

    Kind of like the excuse Clinton lovers said a decade ago, It's only sex, what's your problem... Here Cheney lovers will claim it was just an accident, what's your problem? Sorry, not me, the person doesn't change my moral standards, I, to this day think Clinton was a cheap sex addict unfaithful to his wife, family, and country, and now I have a similar low opinion of Cheney. jonstad- while you only have to doubt what you just claimed, consider that now, as a demonstration of his action here, I have to doubt ALL his actions as a Vice President. You most likely, always have. Cheney, handed the Democrats a bonus. And, where's our leader in all this? Some of you will probably say he is still sitting in the classroom reading See Spot Run!

    Who was it that said, The Democrats never win an election, but the Republicans win and lost elections?
     
  13. Bogy

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    He's standing behind the Vice President. Way behind.

    I'm ready to move on to bigger and more important issues. Like, what did Cheney leak and when did he leak it? He made the statement in that same Fox interview that he has the authority to decide what material can be declassified and disseminated in whatever way he wants. So if it turns out that Cheney told Scooter to tell Miller, it was ok, and everybody was just doing their job. Meanwhile, we are still discussing how many BBs it takes to bring down a liberal Texas Republican lawyer.
     
  14. Ira Lacher

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    . . . about the case being "closed": Read this in the National Post, based in Toronto.
     
  15. Geronimo

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    the nonsense about the press being jealous is just that---nonsense. Even Republicans have said that the incident was handled incorrectly. It is over now. The VP has given us a rational explanation. But there would gave been much less controversy if he had madea statement earlier.

    If this wee news of interest only in the Corpus Christi area I could see going to the local paper. But, given the involvement of the VP that was not the best move.

    Like I said it is time to move on but hopefully the VP learned a bit about damage control. not that I expect a second experience like this.
     
  16. Mavrick

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    Check this out it is very funny!

    http://www.bobrivers.com/audiovault/downloads/files/Bob%20Rivers%20-%20Cheney's%20Got%20A%20Gun%20(email).wma
     
  17. Tom in TX

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    The conspiracy deepens!!!
    Who REALLY was that man pretending to be Whittington giving his statement? I think it could be a Russian spy. We definitely need to delve deeper, and spend more money investigating this supposed "accident". I am now a full blown Liberal, and will not rest until the current Administration is brought down for daring to wait a couple days to inform us about this! What arrogance!
    Tom (lib nut) in TX
     
  18. jonstad

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    Sure it's conspiratorial. That's my point. The handling of this incident has left the door wide open for conspiracies to abound. Cheney has never hidden his disdain for the press, but here they could have been his best friend. What surprises me is he was too politically inept ro realize it. This is a bigger blow to you than me. I've always considered Cheney arrogant and deceitful. This latest just confirms it.

    I've never held Clinton in high regard either. However the only valid comparison of the incidents you mention is that neither by themselves should disqualify them from their offices, nor significantly impair their abilities to perform the duties entailed. Otherwise it's apples and oranges.

    And I agree with Bogy that there are far more important issues out there this comedy of errors has distracted from. The Katrina report is one. The issue of whether Cheney believes he has the power to classify and declassify material at will and if he instructed Scooter Libby to do so in the Plame affair is another. The UN has called on the US to either fairly try the detainees at Guantanamo, or release them and close the facility. And an Australian television network has released additional images from Abu Ghraib, more disturbing then the first batch, and if the network is to be believed, not as disturbing as some not released.
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/15/abughraib.photos/index.html
     
  19. Geronimo

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    All of that might make sense if anyone had actually discussed removing anyone from office. This is justa case of botched damage control.
     
  20. Tom in TX

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    Wrong, Chief! This is just the tip of the iceberg. This conspiracy goes much deeper than "botched damage control". It involves drinkin', shootin' and media manipulations, and coverups at the highest level! Can't you see? It looks like Whittington just got out of Guantanamo, not just "peppered" with birdshot! I still think we need a Special Prosecutor. Maybe now that Bill Clinton can practice law, he could take the job! I would rest much easier knowing we could finally get to the truth behind this "Quailgate".
    Tom (lib nut) in TX
     
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