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Want to pre-wire for new installation, how many lines from dish?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by burnedpixel, Jan 11, 2014.

  1. burnedpixel

    burnedpixel New Member

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    I recently moved and will be running new RG6 myself.

    I plan to have all homeruns to a network closet and will run the line(s) from the dish to this closet. I know in the past you used to have to run four lines from the dish to a multiswitch, but with the recent advances of the SWiM, four lines may no longer be required.

    My previous installation had an HR24 and H24, and I'll probably just use those for now at my new place. I may add additional receivers, and/or a genie down the road.

    How many lines do I need to run down from the dish to the network closet to run an HR24 and an H24? If I added a genie, would that change the number of lines required from the dish?
     
  2. WestDC

    WestDC DIRECTV A-Team DBSTalk Club

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    The total numbers of tuners for a single SWM LNB (one rg6) is 8 (genie receiver total tuner is 5 tuners) HDDVR is 2 HR is 1 Should you ever need more than 8 tuners -I would run 4 even if you only plan on using 2 receivers for now. Bu running 4 -will be able to have a 16 tuners if needed Without rewiring.
     
  3. CCarncross

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    Run 4 in case you ever want to go over 8 tuners, or if a line ever goes bad you've got a spare. When doing any cable pull like that, the general rule is to pull an extra. A quad pull is not that much harder than a single and that way you dont have to go back later and pull more
     
  4. trh

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    Yes, four from your dish location to your closet and if you have OTA channels available, you should run one from your potential antenna location to your closet.
     
  5. gov

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    And please, everyone, be careful about location of the cables. It can be a major problem if a drywaller puts a screw thru a line. They don't deliberately try, (well a few, LOL) and once there is a screw in a piece of coax, that piece is ruined, even if you find the screw and get it out.

    They make those metal shields you tap in, and just be aware of where everything is. Also, try not to have wires rattle against ductwork, look out for plumbing and romex.

    Doesn't hurt to pull a couple for OTA, and if you are in an area served by CATV, even if your a diehard satellite fan, anticipate a possible cable hookup anyhow.

    Once the drywall is on, the paint is finished and all the trim is done, you don't want to realize you needed to pull a couple more wires.
     
  6. peds48

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    Actually with 4 wires from the dish, you can run an "unlimited" quality of tuners, with the right equipment. Point is, that 4 is the most you will ever need for DirecTV or 5 with if you add an international package
     
  7. B Newt

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    I would also run cat5 cables for a fast internet connection.



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  8. burnedpixel

    burnedpixel New Member

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    I ended up running four RG6 for DirecTV to the closet. I also ran a fifth for my Time Warner cable source so I can place my modem and router in there (Cat5e are all running into this closet as well). Got compression crimper and a bunch of f-connectors, I'm excited to have this setup so nicely :)

    Thanks for all the replies!
     
  9. BobStokesbary

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    Sorry I am late to the party, but there are a couple of things that may change when the installer shows up. First of all he will probably want to replace any coax you have from the dish to the grounding lug with his siamese solid core copper/grounding wire coax. This is required by almost all building codes for proper grounding of the dish. He will also probably want to replace any coax from the grounding lug to your "network closet" with solid copper core coax. (People argue on this point, but D* installation instructions seem to demand solid core coax to the dish on SWM installations.) He will probably install any required PI in the closet. From here out you will probably be golden as long as you have left enough room for line dressing and connectors. Your installer will gladly do all the connector installation for you. Your installer will also add any splitters needed for the installation..

    Just be aware that with SWM technology you will not be able to duplex any cable signals on the same line as your DirecTV coax. So, you will need separate cabling for that functionality.

    And yes, things do change when you go over the 8 tuner limit. But, it sounds like you have that covered with the extra RG6 line. (You don't need an extra power or grounding connection for this.)
     
  10. peds48

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    to be more precise, is DECA that does not let you duplex, as SWM makes it possible
     
  11. vanduse1

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    Does anyone have any RG6 purchase recommendations? I am looking at Monoprice & Solid Signal. The one at Solid Signal that says DirectTV approved is not quad shielded. Solid Signal also carries a quad shielded cable as well.

    I am looking for the best deal but want to make sure I don't put in inferior cable too. Do I need quad shield? Any advice is appreciated.
     
  12. peds48

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    You don't need quad shield. Make sure you get RG6 Solid Copper Core
     
  13. jangelj

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    My apologies for thread hijacking, but I do have a related question.
    I thought with single-wire technology that all you'd need from the dish to the tuner would be 1 wire. I just prewired my new house for a Genie and only had them run one cable from where the satellite dish will be installed to the spot where the Genie will be installed. I then plan on having 2 Genie mini clients for other rooms.

    Is 1 wire sufficient for such a basic install? I don't have multiple receivers, just plan on getting a Genie. I suppose I could have run an extra in case a cable fails, but barring cable failure would 1 work for me?

    Thanks!
     
  14. WestDC

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    A single Run of RG6 will Support 8 TUNERS - The Genie= 5 tuners the the minis (clients) use a a tuner from the genie -for live TV viewing

    SO that should wok for now -(however) if you can run at least 3 more to the outside (where the one is now located (not all the way to the dish) Should you ever increase the number of tuners to more than 8 -then those line could be extended to the Dish because you will need 4 lines at that time.

    Also If you have cable internet -you should run a RG6 for that as well as they can not be combined. Running extra wire now will prevent fishing wires through closed walls later (YRS) later.

    Enjoy your service
     
  15. BobStokesbary

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    One more point. While it is debated on this forum, installers are instructed to use solid copper core coax from the power inserter to the dish. Depending on the distance from where the installer will place the PI, he/she may want to replace any existing copper cladded coax with solid core.

    To comply with codes in most areas, the dish must be grounded. So, the installer will want to use solid core siamese coax from the dish to the grounding block. If you just have coax for this run, it will probably get replaced.

    All other coax can be standard RG6. The rf signals travel over copper cladded steel just fine.

    This is in addition to what has already been said.
     
  16. WestDC

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    Solid copper Core is to be used by D* installers for all runs(except - Prewired locations- If the coax will support it - It is a D* standard Required for all SWM installs -Steel clad will work at times depending on the distance Shorter the better
     
  17. BobStokesbary

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    Well, this makes sense since people seem to move the PIs around. But, the rf signal could care less since it only travels over the surface of any wire. (I did all the pre-wire on my home and the installer was only concerned about the run to the splitter and insisted on replacing that with his solid core. That was a few years ago.I suspect they are more firm on the solid core now.)
     
  18. WestDC

    WestDC DIRECTV A-Team DBSTalk Club

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    [SIZE=12pt]Resistance is (the reason) less over solid copper core, but it will work less resistance the better for flow [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]J[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Not Arguing .[/SIZE]
     
  19. peds48

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    resistance to what? Power? RF?


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