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We can start applying for DTV coupons tomorrow

Discussion in 'Local Reception' started by tfederov, Dec 31, 2007.

  1. gfrang

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    The goverment made analog tv obselete to sell off vhf freq. they should help
    people whit this transition. Tv is some thing everybody needs in case of national emergency. It is not just for the rich.
     
  2. Stuart Sweet

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    I think it's fair that these coupons be available... while clearly the desire for television is nothing compared to the need for food and shelter, the public have the right to use the parts of the electromagnetic spectrum reserved for their use, and this program, honestly, is a pittance compared to the money spent on other things about which you may or may not agree.
     
  3. Stewart Vernon

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    The government made money off the airwaves prior to this too, but they haven't issued vouchers for cellphones or walkie talkies or free radios for people.

    Besides that... my real objection here is the supposed "need" for TV. I just don't buy that. And even IF you can argue you "need" TV... you can't use these digital converter boxes unless you also own a TV, have an antenna, have electricity, and have a home, as well as food/water to keep you alive to watch. There are so many people in this country who actually need all those other things, that the money would be better spent on helping the homeless or hungry.

    I can't think of anyone who is in a position to watch TV that could not afford the digital converter box next year when it becomes necessary. The electricity alone would require more money than is needed just in a month for most people, so if you can't afford the digital box how are you paying all the other bills?

    And how are the homeless supposed to apply for and use these vouchers? They can't... at least not in any meaningful way.

    Think how much $80 (two $40 vouchers) could help out a hungry person... then come back to me with how much someone else "needs" their TV.

    Back down from the soapbox again...
     
  4. paulman182

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    Almost everyone who can afford cable or satellite gets it and has no need for the boxes. Most of the people impacted by the transition are inner-city elderly and poor people.

    In my life I have known many people whose only entertainment was television. (In fact, that's pretty much the case in my life now, due to my wife's illness.) Imagine not being able to afford cable, and now to be told you must buy a new TV or converter to even pick up your free, hometown stations. I thank God I'm not in that situation...

    Yes, these elderly and poor people could probably scrimp for a month or two and pay full price for a box. What bills would they have to forego, or how much food would they do without, just to keep the TV on?:)
     
  5. scooper

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    Let's add it up shall we ?
    Starting on 1 January 2008, there are 12-14 months before they will need that convertor. These coupon boxes are expected to cost about $50-$70 dollars. Lets go really high end on that and assume they did NOT get a $40 coupon.

    So, their out of pocket expense will be 70/12 = $5.83 per month per TV. This is not enough to break anybody.

    Now, let's make things interesting. They get a $40 coupon, and they get it quickly, to make sure they get one.So their out of pocket will be $70-$40 =$30, and they need to use the coupon by May 18. $30 /4months = $7.50 per month per TV.

    IOW - don't try to use the "poor" people arguement against the transition.
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    Scooper did the math for me... If you're thanking God just because you can afford cable... imagine if you didn't even have a home or couldn't afford your next meal. Then imagine looking in the window of the home of a "poor" person to find a shiny new digital converter box that was paid for by the government... and imagine how you'd feel about that.
     
  7. paulman182

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    I have known many people in the situation I have described.
    I don't know any starving people, and the reason that I don't is that there is already help in this country to keep people from starving.

    Those who do not take advantage of this help are generally mentally ill or addicted to something and do not understand how to take care of themselves. I'm not sure how to help them.

    I do know that the people I am talking about, who are barely getting by, would be starving if it were not for government help.

    And I guess this is OT so I'll let you have it.
     
  8. gfrang

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    Don't the goverment have welfair and food stamp programs, i am not in need of these programs but i signed up for two converter coupons and funny thing i dont feelthe least bit guilty.i only need one for my bedroom the second i plan buying a box and donating it .
     
  9. gfrang

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    Wouldn't bother me in the least.
     
  10. Tom Robertson

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    We need to steer clear of politics as much as possible even in discussions of the actions of the government that affect DBS or are nearly related to DBS (as in broadcast TV.)

    DBStalk is not about long discussions of how the government should or should not be spending government revenues.

    Thanks for your understanding,
    Tom
     
  11. scooper

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    I don't feel a bit guilty either - there's darn few "government assistance" programs I would qualify for - I'll take these few tidbits thrown out to me.

    As far as the examples thrown out above on the "poor" - well - the street people / drug addicts wouldn't have TVs anyway, nor can you really "help" someone there unless they want help. If they have a roof over their heads, it is likely they have at least one OTA TV, and some PSAs have already started locally about what's coming. All they really need to do is skip Mickey D's for lunch a few times and they're set. Believe me - they WILL find a way to get their convertor box.
     
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    I wonder how much environmental damage there will be when millions of people figure out that their 2 or 3 or 7" portable lcd tv's no longer work? I won't be happy when mine quit.
     
  13. Stewart Vernon

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    I'll steer clear of the politics... sorry for double and triple dipping into it in this thread. This just hits a sore point with me when I hear words like "need" thrown around and I just can't equate in my mind a "need" for TV. Especially when the cost of the converter box pales in comparison to all the other things you have to be able to afford otherwise in order to even need the thing.

    It would be like a voucher from the government for a couple of tanks of gasoline... Anyone who can afford a car and is able to drive should be able to afford a couple of tanks of gas for it. If not, then there are probably other needs that person has higher on the list.

    But I promise not to stir the pot on this one since I've said my peace.
     
  14. gfrang

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    Well the way i look at it is if someone has a tv they need to watch it even if they have rabit ears. Tv is very important part of most people's lives just like internet is getting to be. i dont want to say any more because it will get political.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    Getting back to topic, and avoiding the political stuff...

    I never heard the "final" word on these vouchers. Were they meant to completely purchase a digital converter? Or just be $40 towards the purchase of a qualifying unit? OR perhaps both.

    I thought I remembered some limitations, like you probably could not get $40 off a Dish/Direct/Tivo supermegareceiver... but rather had to be used on a digital converter with limited output features.
     
  16. gfrang

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    From what i understand it is 40 bucks toward the box estimating boxes costing 40
    to 50 bucks The first stage of it will go to everyone that applies. second will go to
    people that have ota only.Boxes have to be coupon certified only.
     
  17. Tom Robertson

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    And certified means analogue outputs only: S-video, component, and/or RF. (Not sure about the fine details if they have or should support all those.)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  18. scooper

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    component prohibited, s-video optional, composite / analog audio / RF modulator required. ALL digital outputs prohibited.

    edited to exact terms.
     
  19. Tom Robertson

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    Sorry, my bad. Meant composite. :)

    Thanks, scooper.
     

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