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What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Feb 1, 2008.

What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

  1. DLB's are not an important feature to me, based on my use of the HR2x.

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  2. I might use DLB's if implemented, but I can live without them.

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  3. I would prefer DLB's as implemented on the HR10, but the current work-around is OK.

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  4. I want DLB's as implemented on the HR10. The current work-around is inadequate.

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  5. Until DLB's are added, I will not get a DVR+ unit.

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  1. Doug Brott

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    Yes, this is a situation in which the workaround doesn't work well.
     
  2. Richierich

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    That is why I have Plenty of Storage Room and set up mine to at least go 30 minutes past but as in Golf Today with Tiger Woods I have it set to go 1 Hour past so I don't have to worry and that is for every day in case of a rain delay or a delay caused by extra holes as the Twosome did in front of Tiger's Debut on #1.

    This also happens alot if you Record Nascar and there is a Rain Delay so I always Extend it One Hour and if it overlaps something else then So Be It.
     
  3. Jhon69

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    Excellent problem that would be solved with DLB !.:sure:
     
  4. Mike Bertelson

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    Or by "somethig better". :D
     
  5. Sandy

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    I still want to watch a program live and channel surf on the other tuner during the commercials. I did this constantly with my Tivo. That is "tv my way". I miss DLB every time I am watching tv. I don't care if "my way" is not the way other people watch tv, everyone has their own preferred way, but why can't Directv allow DLB? None of the workarounds really work for what I like to do. Also, I used DLB for football games all the time.

    If there is no DLB available when my commitment is up, I will go elsewhere. Directv doesn't even offer locals in my DMA, Dish does. But the locals weren't enough to get me to switch to Dish. I have an antenna. But the combination of no locals and no DLB will do it.

    I would think that if DLB is so easy for Directv to do, it should be done. Why alienate some of your subscribers? It actually comes across as arrogant to me.......Now, now. We know what's the best way to watch tv, just do it our way. No need for DLB You're just doing it wrong...........kind of thing.

    Sorry for the long post, but the longer I have the HR21-100 the more dissatisfied I become.

    Sandy
     
  6. Tallgntlmn

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    I wholeheartedly agree. I had Tiger's return on one tuner on pause while I watched CNBC yesterday until there was 30 mins of buffer. That's just how I roll. I have no desire to record either. I just want to be able to pause until commercial, flip watch till commercial, pause and flip back, repeating over and over and over. But I guess we're relegated to a TiVo with cable, or a D-TiVo or the workaround. That sucks, IMHO.
     
  7. DC_SnDvl

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    I was just looking at the wish list survey. It looks like they have done or are working on just about everything EXCEPT for DLB.

    I think we have been had. I have held out hopes that they would add DLB, I even got a 2nd DTV DVR so I could get all of the HD channels on both my HD sets. FIOS is comming to my neighborhood in 6 months and if DTV does not provide DLB by then with the boxes I have now they can have them back.
     
  8. Mar 1, 2009 #3788 of 3895
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    DLB's are not an important feature to me, based on my use of the HR2x. 217 8.85%
    I might use DLB's if implemented, but I can live without them. 396 16.15%
    I would prefer DLB's as implemented on the HR10, but the current work-around is OK. 164 6.69%
    I want DLB's as implemented on the HR10. The current work-around is inadequate. 1,579 64.40%
    Until DLB's are added, I will not get a DVR+ unit. 96 3.92%
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    Old DLB stats: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=62118

    A must have! 2836 77.66%
    Don't really care about it. 179 4.90%
    Like the option but, Ok if it's not there. 637 17.44%
    Voters: 3652.

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  9. Mar 1, 2009 #3789 of 3895
    chevyman601

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    there is DLB code in my hr21-100 i use it all the time it just don't work just like the tivo. every day i watch the cbs 11:00pm news and record the nbc 11:00pm news and a lot of times while watching david letterman (on cbs at 11:35pm)i look at the guide and see whats on jay leno (at this time its almost midnight) i decide i want to watch leno too, so i go to the guide to leno and push the record button and every time it records the whole thing even though 30 minutes has passed and i'm on cbs and not on nbc.
    this would only work if the DVR is buffering both tuners, so the code is in my DVR for DLB just not set up as tivo, so maybe dtv is working on it in the background, and will release it whenever?
     
  10. Mar 1, 2009 #3790 of 3895
    woodsptw

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    I appreciate the fact that Directv is constantly improving things. I'd love Dual Line Buffers and I actually left Time Warner after a host of issues - the last straw was the fact they had taken away DLBs at one point on the SA8300. But it was a large combination of things primarily tied to their excessive pricing, lack of NBC in HD in Dayton, constantly breaking HD-DVRs, etc. I would, however, not leave Directv over one missing feature. Although that's obviously a personal decision.

    Now - with that said - "I want my DLB". It's especially required during NFL football season where I bounce between games and DLB let's me go back and forth and move around and catch up through the commercials.
     
  11. Mar 1, 2009 #3791 of 3895
    Doug Brott

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    It's been a while, so I'm posting the different DLB workarounds again. There are ways to make use of dual live buffers, but it is neither automatic, nor perfect.

    Workaround #1 - toggle between Live TV buffer and recorded program
    Workaround #2 - toggle between recording buffer and tuner 2 (not buffered)
    Workaround #3 - toggle between 2 recorded programs
     
  12. Mar 1, 2009 #3792 of 3895
    Mike Bertelson

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    I want "something better" then work arounds.

    I'll keep waiting....like I have a choice. :grin:

    Mike
     
  13. Mar 1, 2009 #3793 of 3895
    Steve

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    It's just about 9 months since that announcement, so if it doesn't happen soon, we'll have to induce! :lol: /steve
     
  14. Mar 9, 2009 #3794 of 3895
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    It tells me that it's either just not possible for the hardware to do it or there is some sort of patent issue involved, either way it's probably not coming.

    I don't think we have been had since they never said it had this feature. People on this forum have always been asking for it so there is an assumption that it would come.
     
  15. Mar 9, 2009 #3795 of 3895
    Tom Robertson

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    There is absolutely no reason why the hardware can't provide DLB functionality. If the hardware can record two items at once, the hardware can buffer two live streams.

    There is absolutely no patent issue. DIRECTV has access to all the key patents from Replay and TiVo with their agreements. And DLB has never been found in patent searches anyway.
    I concur. DLB has never been promised by DIRECTV, so it is hard to consider being had. :)

    Cheers,
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  16. Mar 9, 2009 #3796 of 3895
    Mike Bertelson

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    While it's true it was never "promised" as a feature, back in the Sep '06 time frame, DirecTV was saying they were investigating implementation. ;)

    Of course this isn't a promise. Nor is it reasonable to take it as such.

    However, there was a point where DirecTV acknowledged that it was something we wanted and looked at giving it to us (even if it was only to the small percentage of subs who read the forums :grin: ).

    IIRC it was over a year later that we got word that it was decided not to include it.

    Yeah, there was not promise but at one time DirecTV created an anticipation….(get it, anticipation, I slay me :lol: ya know you chuckled)

    As enthusiastically as I argued for DBL I know it isn’t coming and I’m ok with that…now. :grin:

    It is interesting that the patent issue keeps coming up. That was shot down years ago (previous DLB thread).

    It wasn't promised; it isn't coming but "something better" is. :D

    Mike
     
  17. Mar 9, 2009 #3797 of 3895
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    Oh don't you worry. It's still coming. But first they have to work on that popup window that comes up when the guide can't be updated past the end of the Mayan calendar. Gotta have your priorities.
     
  18. Mar 9, 2009 #3798 of 3895
    Flyrx7

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    3 years, 287 days, 12 hours and 25 minutes, but who's counting?
    I'm trying to figure what will come first; the end of the world or DLB?
     
  19. Mar 9, 2009 #3799 of 3895
    Doug Brott

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    That's funny .. Although the HR2x came out in August 2006, so I'll assume you're using the R15 as a reference point :)
     
  20. Mar 9, 2009 #3800 of 3895
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    I believe he's referencing the end of the world, not how long he's been disapointed.


    http://www.disastercountdown.com/event/mayan/
     
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