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What does D* offer in HD that E* doesn't that you really want?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by gopher_guy, Nov 22, 2007.

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  1. Dec 6, 2007 #261 of 325
    msmith198025

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    On topic, looks like E* MAY get Sci Fi and USA soon
     
  2. Dec 6, 2007 #262 of 325
    texaswolf

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    no no i wasn't taking about you, i was just saying instead of having all the "switching from here to here" or "which is better" or channel count threads...here in the Dish HD forum...they could have their own section. Instead of having threads get off topic 5 different times and then shutdown due to it...people can go there.

    James i wasn't saying to start a war, i was meaning there already is one whether we like it or not...so give it a place to go. any threads started here bashing one or the other...gets moved there....then they can carrying on with facts, channel counts, and bashing all they want. You said yourself you dont like people "polluting threads" so give upset people a place to go....and have good ole debates all day long,instead of flowing into these threads...im sure a lot of people here would be happy to weed it out of this forum and put it in it's own area.

    As far as expecting E* or D* to pressure networks to shoot shows in HD...good luck...the networks aren't going to give a care if a provider is upset about certain shows not in HD...talk to the studio, producer ect. about shooting the show in HD...a majority of the most popular shows out right now are in HD...if the provider offers an HD feed on that channel...you have to look at it by a show to show basis...a lot of people have wanted Extreme Makeover and Survivor in HD...but the people who shoot it, don't do it in HD. You could write the channels about contact info to get a hold of the shows producers and complain...might be easier than expecting the sat companies who are in negotiations to even carry the HD feed of the channel, to strong arm the channel into an "all or nothing" contract...not gonna happen...within the next 2 years most show will probably be done in HD anyway...trust me, i understand your frustration...just take a look at who is the source of certain shows in not done in HD.....channels are still being added, give it a little while.
     
  3. Dec 6, 2007 #263 of 325
    cartrivision

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    The churn rate has nothing to do with, and isn't offset by the number of customers added in the same time period.

    All that I was saying is that if you take the number of customers that E* has today, and their current churn rate stayed the same for the next year, the number of customers that churn out over the next year would be about one quarter of the number of customers that they have today.

    That would mean that the number of new customers that they would have to sign up over the next year just to keep their total number of subscriber from decreasing is about 1/4 of their current number of subscribers.
     
  4. Dec 6, 2007 #264 of 325
    James Long

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    I did the math, and that's not correct.

    See the post you quoted for the break down.
    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1307027#post1307027

    The number of customers E* needs to add to maintain the net customer level is the number of customers that leave. On that we can agree ... but 1.94% churn does not lead to a 25% loss of current customers in one year.

    Not unless enough customers are added so that 1.94% is a bigger number than if no customers are added. That magic number of additions is 460k per month. A 1.94% churn over 12 months only becomes 25% of their current subscriber count IF E* adds 5.5 million customers to replace the ones they lose.

    That is why churn is such a silly figure. E* could have a HUGE churn figure and still have a successful year.
     
  5. Dec 6, 2007 #265 of 325
    ScoBuck

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    As a follow up to the earlier posts regarding amount of HD on YES, SNY, and NESN.

    from 3:30pm today thru 3:30pm tomorrow:
    NESN 10 1/2 hours
    SNY 10 1/2 hours
    YES 7 hours

    NESN and SNY are providing the same amount of HD as the big 4 networks are during the week it looks like. Those numbers DO NOT include the pro hockey games - just non-game HD content.
     
  6. Dec 6, 2007 #266 of 325
    projectorguru

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    FOR YOU, for me,
    Blackedout,
    Blackedout
    Blackedout
     
  7. Dec 6, 2007 #267 of 325
    ScoBuck

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    Blacked out - or you don't pay for the Sports Pack? Because I do, and I get all of this NESN non-game programming. I am in-market for YES and SNY.
     
  8. Dec 6, 2007 #268 of 325
    msmith198025

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    You sure? If i can get it in mississippi, you should get it there.
     
  9. Dec 6, 2007 #269 of 325
    msmith198025

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    Thats what i am wondering. I get it and im OUT OF MARKET
     
  10. Dec 6, 2007 #270 of 325
    ScoBuck

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    It's not blacked out (except for pro sports games), I get all of the programming on ALL 11 Full-Time RSNS.
     
  11. Dec 6, 2007 #271 of 325
    msmith198025

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    I know, thats what i get too.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2007 #272 of 325
    James Long

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    There's that absolute again ... "all".
    Actually: You get all non-blacked out programming on all 11 "full time" RSNs.
    W/ subscription to Premier (listed at $108.98) or Sports Pack (minimum $71.98).

    And (on topic) how much of that content do I really want?
    Not much (if anything).
     
  13. Dec 6, 2007 #273 of 325
    msmith198025

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    Actually James, the blacked out stuff (for out of market)was covered when he said except Blacked out pro sports games.

    I guess its beneficial that you dont have them isnt it:)
     
  14. Dec 6, 2007 #274 of 325
    Ron Barry

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    Going to try this one last time...

    Ok guys I think the OPs questions was answered... The topic is what channels does D* HD channels have that you would want E* to have. It is not about what company is more evil, what marketing group is lying the most, what classifies as an HD channel etc. It is not a channel counting thread...

    Lets try and keep it on topic... If you want to discuss what company is more evil, create thread in the general Sat forum.... Keep things professional and avoid being personal. If you have anything more to add regarding the OPs question.. Please feel free to post here.. If you want to continue the ratholes that have popped out in this thread please do the following.

    1) If it involves both E* and D* post it in the General Sat area.

    2) If you are looking for comments from the E* subs... Post it here.. D* subs are ofcourse welcome to respond but lets keep to the topics and avoid creating yet another count thread etc.

    3) If it about D*, then it should go in the D* forum.

    So... Back on topic or move on.....
     
  15. Dec 6, 2007 #275 of 325
    msmith198025

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    I apologize ron. As an E*/D* sub, i just hate to see false info on either company posted(especially when its from a mod, although i do enjoy talking and having a good/harmless argument with james). That being said, good info points to Sci fi and USA coming up friday or next week( E* subs will enjoy those two!). Take it for what its worth.:)
     
  16. Dec 6, 2007 #276 of 325
    Ron Barry

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    Yeah... SciFi is one I am looking forward to and one of the D* I wish I had. I enjoy GHost busters and even though I don't think it is HD yet, I would still welcome the upscaling at the source. Yeck.. given the strike I am pretty sure I am going to give Tin Man a shot.

    As for the others.. FX would be one I might want but that would depend on what HD content was being offered. Also any kids related ones would be cool too.
     
  17. Dec 6, 2007 #277 of 325
    msmith198025

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    FX also has some very very good looking stuff in HD. Nip/Tuck looks great, and the movies they show are impressive in PQ also

    Yeah the strike sucks!
     
  18. Dec 7, 2007 #278 of 325
    texaswolf

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    Regardless...they lit up the HD channels and shows that were broadcasted in HD were and are shown in HD....i'd take a couple of shows in HD over a crap SD only feed any day, until they added more...at least i would be enjoying some HD on them instead of crossing my fingers and hoping for that channel in HD...any HD.... at some point
     
  19. Dec 7, 2007 #279 of 325
    texaswolf

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    Yeah i watch Rescue Me and Its always sunny in Philly...and cant wait for a HD feed on that channel....although Rescue Me wont start it's new season for a while...so i'm not in a huge rush...and I'm well aware that "sunny" is not done in HD, so i wont be crying when it's not when we get the feed
     
  20. Dec 7, 2007 #280 of 325
    msmith198025

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    Yeah im looking forward to the new season of Rescue Me also. Should loke spectacular!
     
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