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What good was D12

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by s57061b, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. Nov 11, 2010 #41 of 214
    Hoosier205

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    No. Write your elected representatives. You're blaming the wrong party.
     
  2. Nov 11, 2010 #42 of 214
    djwww98

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    'K. I'll do that tomorrow. I'm sure that will get my HD back by Sunday. Thanks for your support.
     
  3. Nov 11, 2010 #43 of 214
    Hoosier205

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    :rolleyes: You're blaming DirecTV for something that isn't even their fault. Haha...what type of response did you expect to receive. You're upset and I can understand that...I would be as well. You just happen to be upset with the wrong party. There is a reason why DirecTV can only offer you HD locals from your DMA. There is a reason why you lost your locals. Hint: The FCC
     
  4. Nov 12, 2010 #44 of 214
    bamaweather

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    Actually, they recently removed some HD locals for people inside of a DMA they already offer. It is believed to be a result of DirecTV moving channels around to different spotbeams (or something else of that nature). This isn't a DMA boundary change situation.
     
  5. Nov 12, 2010 #45 of 214
    am7crew

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    dont tell him, the guy thinks D* is god and can do NO wrong.
     
  6. Nov 12, 2010 #46 of 214
    Maruuk

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    At least you had HD LILs for a while. Here in the Salinas/Monterey DMA they literally have no plans to EVER offer HD LILs.

    D* is just another corporate ripoff of the people. It's almost impossible to be too cynical about their operation. The people have been screaming for AMC HD and BBCA HD and national PBS HD since forever. But because the D* beancounters have determined their profit margin is a few ticks lower with these channels than others, they just slam the door in the face of their loyal customers. They couldn't care less about them.

    Enjoy Mexican soccer and the Cooking Channel (aka the Travel Channel). Next up bowling and The Accountant Channel. D12 sounds like a vitamin, but it sure didn't serve up a healthy dose of watchable channels.
     
  7. Nov 12, 2010 #47 of 214
    SWORDFISH

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    Hoosier -

    You need to go read this thread:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=186199

    Directv is removing HD locals from people due to incomplete spot beam coverage within certain zip codes. "If there are some customers in the zip/county who can't get acceptable signals, then no-one in the zip/county gets HD locals."

    It has nothing to do with the FCC as these customers still retain their SD local channels.

    djwww98 is one of these customers and is justified in his complaints. This is clearly Directv's fault. There is no reason for you to continue to berate him.



    SF
     
  8. Nov 12, 2010 #48 of 214
    hdtvfan0001

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    I never called you anything, let alone a troll. Nothing to defend.

    Sorry you lost your HD LiL...but that has absolutely nothing to so with the topic at hand. There is another thread for LIL loss victims...free country to visit it.
     
  9. Nov 12, 2010 #49 of 214
    paulman182

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    Closer to topic, there are 11 channels on the D12 list that me or my family watch, and with Premier and HD Extra I get almost all of the ones that were added.

    So yes, I'm pretty happy with D12, although always wanting more.
     
  10. Nov 12, 2010 #50 of 214
    Richierich

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    Quote from Sixto. "D12 is also on-line, having launched 5 new HD channels in May, with 14 additional HD channels launched on 6/23/2010."
     
  11. Nov 12, 2010 #51 of 214
    Hoosier205

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    Per regulations.
     
  12. Nov 12, 2010 #52 of 214
    hilmar2k

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    So had DIRECTV been in violation of FCC rules the whole time and is just now complying?

    By the way, do you have a link to this new FCC ruling? Not that I don't believe you, you just have a history of.....oh, shall we say, seeing the world through DIRECTV blue colored glasses. ;)
     
  13. Nov 12, 2010 #53 of 214
    texasbrit

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    This is almost always never to do with "regulations". Unless a customer has been moved to a different DMA (which DirecTV can do nothing about, and yes - in those cases DirecTV has to follow the FCC rules) everyone else who is losing their HD locals is on the edge of a spotbeam and what I posted earlier applies. It is ENTIRELY a technical issue because some of DirecTV's spotbeams are not wide enough to cover a complete DMA, so yes, it is DirecTV's "fault". There is no FCC regulation requiring DirecTV to remove the locals from everyone in a county just because some people have a poor signal. It has to be done that way because DirecTV delivers locals by zip code/county, and they can't keep on sending techs out to fix reception problems that can't be fixed.
     
  14. Nov 12, 2010 #54 of 214
    jasonblair

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    I think the anger is that we were lead to believe that D12 would mean we'd have almost every major HD channel available. There were all kinds of threads before D12 launched about "how can they say 200 national HD channels? 200 national HD channels don't even exist!"

    No matter what they add, there will always be a channel here or there that isn't carried.... But when you have channels like AMC, E!, and BBC that aren't carried when the talk was about tons and tons of capacity, people who don't admit that they have been let down are just deluding themselves.

    I love DirecTV, but there do seem to be a lot of apologists on this thread. I know carriage negotiations are a complex matter (I am an IP attorney myself), but you HAVE to admit you thought we'd have more channels by now.
     
  15. Nov 12, 2010 #55 of 214
    hdtvfan0001

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    The gross facade, of course, is having the ability/bandwidth alone makes it a "turn on a new channel" event. Nothing could be further from reality.

    While pundits are in denial that carriage agreements, pricing from content providers, and competitive factors have a nominal role in this...they are actually the biggest factor...not the sat itself.

    DirecTV is poised witht he capacity...but the other things have to fall into line as well. Just look at how Dish had to srop channels because of these same issues. Its all real, whether or not people choose to beleive it.
     
  16. Nov 12, 2010 #56 of 214
    Argee

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    "No matter what they add, there will always be a channel here or there that isn't carried.... But when you have channels like AMC, E!, and BBC that aren't carried when the talk was about tons and tons of capacity, people who don't admit that they have been let down are just deluding themselves."

    Exactly how many channels can you put into a ton of capacity? How much does a HD signal weigh when compared to a SD signal?

    (-;
     
  17. Nov 12, 2010 #57 of 214
    hdtvfan0001

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    AN HD channel version requires about 5-6 times the bandwidth of an SD counterpart....since you asked and all... :D
     
  18. Nov 12, 2010 #58 of 214
    hilmar2k

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    When you're the only major provider not to offer certain channels, then you can be questioned as to why not. I agree about carriage agreements, but other providers managed to get it done for channels like AMC, IFC, BBC, etc. If DIRECTV can't get it done, they deserve the criticism they are getting.
     
  19. Nov 12, 2010 #59 of 214
    hdtvfan0001

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    I question that generality, as among the remaining channel candidates...very few are provided by more than perhaps 2 other providers...not "everyone" as some would have you believe.

    Add in the higher prices those other providers charge for less overall content, and one can see why it happens...less for the money....higher price per channel for carriage....who gets shafted in the end on that deal - the customer of course.

    Be careful what is asked for...I suspect that if DirecTV were to add another 6-10 more HD channels to make everyone happy this moment...you'd have to reach back into your wallets again immediately. Watch what happens to Dish rates over the next 90 days or so, now that they succumbed to paying the higher Fox prices and despite venver restoring some of the Disney group channels...some of us don't see the value in those channels to be held hostage for a random pet program here and there on AMC HD or BBCHD, thank you.
     
  20. Nov 12, 2010 #60 of 214
    Richierich

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    Preach On Brother!!!
     

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