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What I hate about DTV (rant)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Red Orc, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. Feb 12, 2012 #21 of 128
    dsw2112

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    It's instead of tone & voltage switching. Which requires a homerun to a multiswitch for each tuner utilized.
     
  2. Feb 12, 2012 #22 of 128
    Rich

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    Pretty mild for a rant. You should have been here in late '06. Great rants then were common.

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  3. Feb 12, 2012 #23 of 128
    ndole

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    I reserve feelings as strong as hate for things a little bit more heady than TV wiring, and even then it's pretty few and far between that I'm driven to hate anything.
    But that's just me ;)
     
  4. Feb 12, 2012 #24 of 128
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    Outstanding! Bring it on I can't wait!
     
  5. Feb 12, 2012 #25 of 128
    Red Orc

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    OK maybe "hate" is a little strong. Maybe I should have made the title "Things that irritate me about DTV. :)
     
  6. Feb 12, 2012 #26 of 128
    Taintedahab

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    Unless you have whole home dvr, then you can run an ethernet cable to the receiver. If you do have whole home, then you need the deca. You know how you like how the cable company uses one cable to the dvr. Well, that's swim buddy, it allows mutiple signals to be carried on one cable so you only need one cable to a receiver and get your on demand at the same time. And that's the reason for the broadband deca is to put the internet in your line since the internet doesn't come over the satellite (nor would you want it to) and coupled with the swim negates the need to run an ethernet cable to every single receiver in your house.
     
  7. Feb 12, 2012 #27 of 128
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    It's already here now. Depending on how many tuners are already used those who have SWM can add an HR24 or HR34 for example to their system with just one coax connected for Sat, Whole Home DVR and internet connection.
     
  8. Feb 12, 2012 #28 of 128
    NR4P

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    SWM Power inserters can't be plugged into surge protectors or UPS?
    I guess my system shouldn't work then.

    Now on SWM16, previously SWM8, have tried SWM-LNB's (3 and 5) and I assure you that they all worked well with the power inserters plugged into surge protectors/UPS.

    In fact, I also have a BB DECA plugged into one too.

    I think the installers were confusing Power Inserters with EOP (Ethernet over Power) adaptors. You can't send High Speed Ethernet through Home Plug adaptors reliability with surge protectors.
     
  9. Feb 12, 2012 #29 of 128
    ndole

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    No they didn't. It's right in the D* training not to plug the PIs into anything other than a wall outlet. It's not that it always won't work, it's that it won't always work reliably in every installation/home wiring situation. I've pulled plenty of PIs off of daisy chained power strips and extension cords that remedied a 771a issue.
     
  10. Feb 12, 2012 #30 of 128
    Mike Bertelson

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    Actually, that's exactly what SWiM provides. Single wire to each receiver as well as network connectivity between all the receivers/DVRs and even to the internet. If you've got SWiM you've got it all.

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  11. Feb 12, 2012 #31 of 128
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    Well then who ever created that training is wrong. The SWM PI does work in surge protectors and UPS. I really appreciate having my entire system on UPS, it's great to prevent interruption from minor power issues and sometimes even a full loss of power.
     
  12. Feb 12, 2012 #32 of 128
    ndole

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    It works at your house. I've seen installations where it didn't. So no, it's not wrong.

    Maybe they should task you with coming up with the new hire training. You're obviously an expert. Might as well earn something for your expertise.
     
  13. Feb 12, 2012 #33 of 128
    Mike Bertelson

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    Let's make sure we stay on topic. Discuss the topic and not each other...I'm just sayin' :grin:

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  14. Feb 12, 2012 #34 of 128
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    No, not an expert, just know that it is working without any issue here. Maybe the installs that had the issue had a faulty surge protector or UPS that caused the PI to not function.

    I feel it's wrong to say it only works that way, now if it was said as being the preferred way to prevent problems in the future that's different.
     
  15. Feb 12, 2012 #35 of 128
    NR4P

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    Daisy chaining surge devices is different than never using one.

    But technically it shouldn't make a difference because the PI's are not modulating anything over the power lines. I've seen examples where people don't know their surge suppressors have taken a hit (compounded if daisy chained) because one did what they were supposed to and no longer work, but also protected equipment plugged in. Or someone flipped the switch off so it failed.

    Or possibly this is a carry over from the early MRV days when EOP was sold by Directv.

    Whatever the case, surge protectors and UPS's are great tools for protecting the Directv systems and if Directv doesn't want to promote that, it is certainly their choice.
     
  16. Feb 12, 2012 #36 of 128
    ndole

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    :)
     
  17. Feb 12, 2012 #37 of 128
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    Technically you could also dump a handfull of sand into the crankcase of your car and it will work......for a while. But eventually the situation will catch up with the equipment and fark it up.


    Just because it's working for you now doesn't mean it's working in the recommended fashion or that's it's going to keep working later.
     
  18. Feb 12, 2012 #38 of 128
    Davenlr

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    The power inserter is just a power supply cube. I have had my DirecTv system plugged into a UPS since DirecTv first came out in the 90's, and never had an issue using a UPS.

    Ive never put sand in my crankcase, however.
     
  19. Feb 12, 2012 #39 of 128
    Rich

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    I called Tripplite a few months ago and asked them about UPS with surge protectors. The tech I spoke to said there was nothing wrong with using surge protectors with UPS devices. Just "overkill".

    My system is just loaded with surge protectors, only because I like their physical configuration. And my DECA system is, of course, plugged into a UPS.

    Gotta face the facts, with very few exceptions, D* has very few people that are Techs, just installers who are poorly trained and anything is liable to come out of their mouths. Lemmings take them at their word, WE should all know better.

    Same thing is true of CSRs. My apologies to the good guys and gals who know what they are doing, this is just a general opinion/observation.

    Rich
     
  20. Feb 12, 2012 #40 of 128
    Rich

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    Shouldn't be any problems using surge protectors or UPS devices. I don't know what kind of training you've gotten, but call up the manufacturers of UPS devices and they'll give you the right answers.

    Rich
     

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