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What kind of light bulbs do you have in your home?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Scott Kocourek, May 7, 2011.

What kind of light bulbs do you use in your home?

  1. Incandescent

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  2. CFL

    178 vote(s)
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  3. LED

    207 vote(s)
    77.2%
  4. Halogen

    64 vote(s)
    23.9%
  5. Other

    59 vote(s)
    22.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Rich

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    About your kitchen light. Are the ends where the prongs are turning black? If not, you may have a problem with the ballast. Easy to install a new one, just splice according to colors. Any fluorescent that starts turning black on the ends will wreck the ballast if the tube is not replaced. Those are rated for 1-2 years if left on all the time. The Electrician's Handbook recommends replacing tubes once a year.

    If the ends are black, you should get a new tube immediately.

    Rich
     
  2. Drucifer

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    Home Depot. I bought a case of what would be 75 watts.
     
  3. Mike Bertelson

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    They were in my bathroom over the sink. They're about 6 years old and I bought them at Home Depot. The one that went the oldest one (>6 years) so I decided to step up to LED.

    A CFL has an average life span of ≈8000 hours. At 5 hours/day that’s about 4.4 years. At 5 hours/day to get ten years it would have to have a life span of about 18,000 hours.

    I don't know where you got yours but 10 years is a really long time. You must have some incredible CFLs...unless you don't use them much. :shrug:

    Mike
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

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    In all honesty, I have a mix of bulbs here. Over time, I've migrated a number of them to more efficient energy alternatives, but found several of those to be marginal in terms of startup performance and light quality.

    My struggle is understanding why I can buy a name-brand 2-pack of incandescent bulbs (old school) that can last 3-4 years and give off very good lighting - all costing about $1.75...whereas LEDs and CFLs cost exponentially more.

    I get that these others are new tech and reduce the energy costs...however...$8 - $12 for a comparable LED bulb just seems like a simple price ripoff in my view (w/payback in lower costs or not).

    When I multiply this out throughout the home - we're literally talking over 150 bulbs in the house - that's real money. Some of those are 65W spots or indoor floods. I've seen those LEDs go for over $20 a piece.

    Future bulb replacement here will continue to be incandescent until the price point of new tech bulbs comes down by at least 50% from today's numbers. I'm all for being green, but not at the expense of spending more than $1600 for new replacement bulbs.
     
  5. Mike Bertelson

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    An incandescent lasts ≈750hrs but an LED lasts ≈50,000hrs. So, for LEDs I paid 12x the price for two bulbs but will get 67x the life all while using <10% the power.

    I'm thinkin' I'm saving money over the long run. :D

    Mike
     
  6. hdtvfan0001

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    I'm with you on the intent...it's the devil in the details that cause some heartburn.

    The incandescent bulbs I typically have here guarantee 5000 hour lives...and I haven't seen any evidence to dispute it in terms of actual use.

    There's no doubt that the LEDs last maybe 10X that long...but they also reflect almost 10 times the price...so the "savings" may not be as substantial as people think - in terms of the purchase itself.

    The average power comparisons I've seen are more like 75% less power in actual field test use - this is then the real value - the lower use of electricity...and few will debate the fact that this would be a good thing.

    My main 2 points were:

    Adoption of the new bulbs...it's a monster investment if done in any short period of time for an entire home. Even a room full of the indoor flood/spots can cost some serious $$$. My kitchen alone would take $244 - I just priced them yesterday.

    The cost of the new tech bulbs is still beyond reasonable at this point. Like most other new tech...I'd look at those prices coming down more in the next 9 -18 months perhaps.
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    A quick P.S.

    I happened to be out last night and did some pricing - for my entire home to be converted to LED bulbs (discounted units on sales) would be between $1740 and $1908, depending on brand.

    That's a big bullet to bite. Most of the rooms that are occupied/used with regularity would cost in the $250 ballpark price - you almost have to this room by room or the lighting just looks weird.

    Assuming my lighting takes up 20% of my electric bill each month - which is likely on the high estimate side...the electrical savings break-even payback for the complete home changeover investment to LEDs would be about 3.25 years.
     
  8. klang

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    I have recently used LED's to replace a few incandescent bulbs that I have replaced frequently in the past. Time will tell if they actually last longer or not.

    Most rooms in my house have 4-6 ceiling 'cans' with 90 watt halogen bulbs. I bought a case of replacements when we built the house. I doubt most of those will ever be replaced with LED's as they are seldom on and I would need to change all in a room at the same time to look right.
     
  9. trdrjeff

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    Most of those life hours are BS, I replaced a bunch of small light bulbs outside (3 candelabra c7 bases per fixture) for some outside lights that are on 9-12 hours a night depending on the season. Half of them died within 6-8 mos.

    And a lot of the CFLs I have used die long before their advertised hours.
     
  10. Cholly

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    Changing over to CFL's or LED's from standard incandescent bulbs is indeed an expensive proposition. In my house, there is a mix of contractor provided bulbs (60 watt, 130v. clear bulbs), standard incandescents, CFL's and a single LED. Most of our table lamps have been changed over to CFL's, as have most ceiling fixtures. In the kitchen, we have a chandelier with 4 18 watt CFL's, a single can fixture with a 13 watt CFL over the sink, and a 4 light can track fixture over the island with 1 R30 LED flood and 3 R30 CFL floods. The LED provides greater light output than the CFL floods and I may replace the CFL's with LED's as they burn out. The 5 lights on the outside front of the house are type A CFL's. Three rooms have ceiling fans with conventional fan bulbs on dimmers (one of them has contractor bulbs, because it's in our 2 story family room). My bathroom has 2 can fixtures with 13 watt spiral CFL's and 2 4 light strips with ball type CFL's. Walkin closets have 37 watt T8 fluorescents and our garage has 3 dual 4 foot fluorescent shoplights.

    Parting thoughts: CFL's really aren't well suited in light fixtures that will be turned on and off frequently, as it shortens their life. Also, most CFL's take up to a minute to reach full brightness.
     
  11. Mike Bertelson

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    The price can be daunting but I’m replacing them as the go. I just replaced four CFLs with LEDs (well three and one in a new lamp) at $9.99 each.

    The break-even point being at the 3.25 year point is actually pretty good. Each additional month is savings in your pocket. I get about 6-8 years out of CFLs in the house so I’d expect something greater from an LED but even it went the same 6 years you’ve saved money over getting the cheaper CFL now...unless my math is off. :grin:

    Mike
     
  12. Alan Gordon

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    Same here...

    Two of the most used rooms in my house have LEDs now... the rest are still incandescent. The intention was to replace more by now, but that hasn't happened.

    The NEW intention is to replace a couple/few more heavily traveled rooms at the first of the year.
     
  13. Mike Bertelson

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    They do take a minute or so to reach full brightness. We also had a problem with the overhead light in the cold garage. We finally got a cold-weather CFL (cold cathode ballast) and it comes on immediately and comes to full brightness as fast as any we have.

    A few years back I looked at replacing the 48” fluorescent tubes in my shop lights with LED. They were about $150 each at the time. Now the 48” two pin straights are running $30-$40. I have also seen DIY projects to replace the tubes with LEDs for about $25 so I’m thinking about using a spare shop light fixture in my shed. We’ll see how it goes. :)

    Mike
     
  14. trdrjeff

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    Do you happen to have those DIY LED Tubes bookmarked? I'd be interested as the misses is always leaving the garage lights on for laundry :D
     
  15. hdtvfan0001

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    I think we share the same ultimate goal - green and savings....it's the path and timing where things might differ.

    Making the assumption that more mass production brings down the price of LED and other alternative bulbs in the next year or so...then in reality buying later or buying now ends up about the same in terms of a 4-5 year investment overall.

    If the price drops more than 25% in the next 18 months, delaying ends up ahead slightly.
     
  16. Scott Kocourek

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    As soon as pricing goes down on LED bulbs I will change out my CFL bulbs with those, until then I'll keep using CFLs. Our Sams Club just had an eight pack of 13w CFLs for less than $2. In my experience they don't last anywhere near what they say they will but I buy them anyway.

    I built my house 12 years ago and still have 3 incandescent bulbs that are original, but I have a half dozen CFLs that have been replaced multiple times. I have 3 CFLs on the outside of my house all year (Wisconsin) that I put in 6 years ago and they get turned on every day. Who knows? :)
     
  17. houskamp

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    I run CFLs in my living room (no LEDs large enough).. kitchen has 4 8' florecent already (with some halogen spots in work areas)..
    for bathroom I still run old style bulbs. they aren't on enough to make a diff and I dimming is critical at 3am :lol:
    my basement is all florecent and has motion sensing light switches (to stop wife from leaving them on all day)..
    outside yard lights are all custom built LED.. 6 spots and a dozen or so area lights.. went from 120+watts down to 25.. DIY saved a ton in cost..

    real trick is to replace the constant run bulbs (on all day).. rest aren't worth the cost..

    LED lights really need to be fixture replacements as the compromises to make an LED work in a conventional fixture are too much..

    also the CFLs in my living room are on a ceiling fan.. reg bulbs lasted 3mo, CFLs last 2yrs due to fan.. added savings for me..
     
  18. hdtvfan0001

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    Similar plan here...when prices go down...but CFL's are not an option here - they simply take too long to get bright and everyone here just hates them for that reason. My radar is on LEDs only...and from some reading I've done...there is some forecasting of prices on them dipping early in 2013.

    Right now....Japan pays almost 50% less for LEDs over there.

    Here's just one item of the trends:

    http://www.ledinside.com/pricequotes/2012/11/price_bulb_2012_10
     
  19. Alan Gordon

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    They've dramatically decreased in the past couple of years. Our first LED bulbs were 2-3 more expensive than what they are now for the same wattage.
    CFL's aren't an option here either... not even up for discussion, but for different reasons. :D

    Good to hear the forecast though! Awesome news! :)
     
  20. hdtvfan0001

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    Actually, they went up again in price a number of places in 2012 according to 2 online reports I read this afternoon...but yes...they are about 1/3 less than 2010 prices. Still - way too high.
    Yup - things do appear to look positive toward upcoming price drops...so adoption will likely grow accordingly.
     

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