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When is L189 et al coming???

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by tahoerob, Oct 4, 2004.

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  1. Oct 21, 2004 #61 of 256
    Mark Lamutt

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    The month's not over yet...and no that doesn't mean that I know anything about L189 coming next week. It means that I'm still holding out some hope for it.
     
  2. Oct 21, 2004 #62 of 256
    Mike123abc

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    1.88 works reasonably well. I hope they are holding off on 1.89 to at least get any bugs out of it that were not in 1.88. It would be nice to have a release that fixes bugs (I know not all the bugs will be fixed in one release) without breaking working items.

    OTA guide data looks very nice on the 811. I hope that they work out issues from the experience with the 811 to get a nice clean addition to the 921.
     
  3. Oct 21, 2004 #63 of 256
    Mark Lamutt

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    L189 definitely fixes quite a few bugs.

    And, I believe that was the reason for getting the guide data onto the 811 first... :)
     
  4. Oct 21, 2004 #64 of 256
    tweaver999

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    Mark I think I posted this in the wrong thread... this is where I meant it to be....


    Mark, how long has the total beta process been going???? I have had my 921 about 6 months and some of the things it does are GREAT... however, some of the problems are beginning to get a bit old.... I worked for a large computer company and participated in many software/hardware alphas and betas... I also was a beta tester for many products including the first RePlayTV boxes... At first there were many problems,, some serious... however after approx. 6 months there were zero major problems recording, with the guide,etc... As the new versions came out they were to improve the speed or to improve the look and feel of the guide and controls... They added the logic for automatic commercial skip with hardly any software problems. While I still think the 921 has the potential of being a fantastic leading DVR.... my Patience is wearing thin. I think you as a beta tester should pass onto upper management of Dish, that the users( we all appear to be beta testers... ) are not going to wait much longer. It appears to me that the management of these releases is being handled very poorly. The competition is catching up. If I do not see real improvement in 1-2 months, I will seriously look at DirectTV/Tivo as a replacement... I have seen it and it looks ok and the complaints do not seem as serious. Please pass this on... Thanks for all your help Matt... and I know the difficult position a beta tester is in when the provider does not run its on web site to accept input....

    PS: all the releases I worked on had the requirement that a product could not move from alpha to beta if it had ANY major problems..... I believe the inability to record OTA and the lack of OTA guide are major problems.. :mad:
     
  5. Oct 21, 2004 #65 of 256
    tahoerob

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    Well said T Weaver!!
    I have had mine since first round in Jan. 04. I agree that it seems to have been a little rushed to market with big problems & under featured. Overall I do love it for the HD DVR features.
    My long term outlook will be which DBS provider offers local HD channel (D* with edge with announced plans for 2 sats next year) as well as more HD in general (V* advantage). I would like to see the other pay movie channels available ASAP (Starz, TMC, Encore, Cinemax).
    Dish might want to reveal a little of their near future HD plans. At least enough to prevent us from switching prematurely!!
     
  6. Oct 22, 2004 #66 of 256
    Mark Lamutt

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    TWeaver - I don't need to pass it along...you just did (twice) :)

    As for the beta process, for me since December. For the 921, significantly longer than that, from what I've been told.
     
  7. Oct 22, 2004 #67 of 256
    JohnM

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    I am currently a 4+ year Dish subscriber and have been basically happy with the service and my 6000 receiver (in spite of its bugs). However, I am tired of waiting on a working 921. The guide data and recording OTA is the main features that I need and I refuse to pay $1000 for it until they work. Within the next 2-4 weeks I will either switch to D* and buy a 10-250 (plus other HD receiver) or I will buy a 921. IF (big if) the 921 is functioning properly by that time I will seriously consider staying with Dish. If not, hello D*
     
  8. Oct 22, 2004 #68 of 256
    tahoerob

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    I do find that my 921 DOES record OTA well. It would of course be EASIER if I had guide data to set timers!!! I currently set the timer using the SD local channel info from guide & then edit it to change to OTA HD channel. It works every time. It also has been firing the weekly OTA timers correctly.
    While the timer is in the timer queue, it shows the show info from the above mentioned method. However, after recording, it shows in DVR menu as either "unknown recording" or "WXXX (being OTA channel callsign) local programming".
     
  9. Oct 22, 2004 #69 of 256
    Eagles

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    You say the inability to record OTA and guide data are keeping you from a 921 purchase. I've had my 921 since 12/30/03. I've never had problems recording digital OTA. There were some serious stability problems early on, but for the most part they have been rectified to the point where the unit is stable. The only OTA recording bugs that I still deal with are the workarounds which you must be familiar with in order to set OTA timers and record. As far as the guide goes, Dish's SAT guide is lightyears ahead of Tivo's as far as speed and functionality. With the OTA guide, if and when it does arrive on the 921, it will be at the mercy of the local OTA's as far as the guide content and advance programming. Actually I'm assuming that to be the case. If it is, the OTA guide could work flawlessly as far as Dish (software) is concerned, but the OTA guide may not work that well or at all based on the locals lack of information or technology.
     
  10. Oct 22, 2004 #70 of 256
    kmcnamara

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    Does the unit still auto-reboot every night? I haven't bothered to check.
     
  11. Oct 22, 2004 #71 of 256
    leemathre

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    Mine auto-reboots at 2:00 A.M. PDT every morning.
     
  12. Oct 22, 2004 #72 of 256
    Slordak

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    Lucky you. Unfortunately, I have to say you're in the minority here, in that the rest of us had many months of fighting with timers and OTA timers in particular until certain bugs got fixed. Consider these:

    1) Issues with adding OTA channels to the list in the first place, or issues with the channels being "not found" when one actually tried to watch them.

    2) Issues with 0-second recordings and loss of "trick play" features on certain OTA stations.

    3) Issues with timers just failing to fire at all after a certain number of days of continuous operation (which prompted the "auto reboot fix").

    If you didn't have any of these, either you were incredibly lucky, or you just didn't use your 921 much. On the plus side, most of these have been fixed at least partially, so we've made some real progress.
     
  13. Oct 22, 2004 #73 of 256
    Eagles

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    Slordak, I guess I am lucky, Although I failed to mention I had to replace my original unit two times. This is my third unit. (Supposed hardware problems) I've had this one since March or April.
    #1-I've never had problems adding available channels, but I do remember the severe instability of the unit when viewing OTA's. Crash, Reboot, Rescan ect. do over again, and again, and again, then give up.
    #2- When my OTA timers "did fire" I never had this problem. Trick play was never a problem. From what I gathered, the trick play was more related to certain stations. I get DC and Baltimore locals. never a problem.
    #3- Never a problem that I noticed. Probably because my unit crashed so much in the beginning, it never operated for days or a DAY at a time without me having to do a hard reboot.
    And yes I did and do use it alot. I hardly ever watch live TV anymore other than sports. I guess after responding to your reply, I realized it was pretty fustrating and problematic in the beginning. I am now to the point where I'm confident enough to record an OTA timer without a SAT backup if I have to. (2 different shows at the same time) But as you stated the unit has become pretty stable, and for me has been that way for a while. I guess you tend to forget all the previous problems. I guess my point to the original post was, the stuff he said he was waiting for as far as 921 functionality is basically here.
     
  14. Oct 23, 2004 #74 of 256
    Clarkjwc

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    Mark what can we do?!
    We 921 owners cintinue to live with less than we pay for! you are our only conduit to DN! we continue to to receive crxp for service for the big $ we have sent to DN. What can yoiu do for us? What can we do with you?

    JC
     
  15. Oct 23, 2004 #75 of 256
    SimpleSimon

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    It's not just OTA, but can occur on ANY HD content. I run into it often on CBS-HD West. :mad:
     
  16. Oct 25, 2004 #76 of 256
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    Any updates Mark as we are getting close to November? Hopefully it will be this week sometime and some of us will get our guides fixed w/189.
     
  17. Oct 25, 2004 #77 of 256
    Mark Lamutt

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    Next week is more likely at this point. Very slim chance it might slip in on Friday afternoon, but not likely. But, unless something completely whacked happens in the next few days, this one is going to be worth the long wait since L188. Yeah, I've said that before I know..it's close...
     
  18. Oct 25, 2004 #78 of 256
    jsanders

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    Well, I have to ask the question then. Are we also waiting for *two* planets to align, a big one, and a small one? Or, in this case, is it just going to be •one• planet, or maybe the Death Star (a planet destroyer)? ;)
     
  19. Oct 25, 2004 #79 of 256
    Mike123abc

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    It probably comes down to trying to test it as much as possible. 1.88 is stable enough that it is not an emergency. I would much rather wait longer to have a stable release than have them rush out yet another bug ridden version that everyone will be going crazy when is 1.90 going to come out...

    Remember once this release comes out, it could be next year before the next upgrade. Better to have some stability to live with yet another buggy version for 2 more months.
     
  20. Oct 25, 2004 #80 of 256
    jsanders

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    Sorry, that isn't quite what I was talking about. I was quoting something Mark was saying around the March timeframe. It was really a cryptic way of asking about something other than bug fixes.

    Why do you think it will be another year before another version comes out after the next release? Seems to me that why will keep releasing updates until this product is polished and stable.
     
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