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When Sure Proof Proves to Be Unsure

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Steve, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Might be of interest to CSI fans. From this morning's New York Times:

     
  2. SayWhat?

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    Forensics mistakes are fairly common and there are a lot of people in prison for things they didn't do because of them.

    Then there's the whole Massachusetts lab scandal.
     
  3. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Wow. What a mess! I can only imagine the millions it cost to prosecute and try those cases, only to let a lot of really guilty criminals back on to the streets.
     
  4. SayWhat?

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    Do a web search for arson junk science and read 'til your eyes bleed.
     
  5. phrelin

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    Hmmmm. In San Francisco there has been an ongoing prosecutor's nightmare with the latest headline: Mistrial declared for woman at center of SFPD crime lab scandal. You'll see a list of links to earlier stories mostly about the drug lab problem, but this 2010 one summarizes the result for the lab:
    And still there are defense attorneys not challenging evidence and jurors who think somebody who looks like Ted Danson stands behind the impeccable evidence.
     
  6. SayWhat?

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    Detroit's lab was also closed. Note the date in the article.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-09-25-crime-lab_N.htm
     
  7. djlong

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    I certainly wouldn't outrsource this. It's like with utilities now. They used to be publicly owned (or at least strongly regulated). Now a lot of them hike rates in order to please shareholders. When the price oil goes up but that has nothing to do with how you get your electricity and the company claims increased energy prices?

    You wait. Outsource DNA testing and it'll soon be too expensive to do as much as should be done after a couple of years. Yes, *now* a company can lowball the bid. It won't always be that way.

    Do you really want your evidence being handled by an organization who's first loyalty is to Wall Street?
     
  8. Drucifer

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    These miscues and abuses are why the defense is giving samples for their own testing -- only issue, defendants are often poor and can't afford the testing.
     

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