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When the rape victim is a nude dancer

Discussion in 'The OT' started by News Junky, Apr 22, 2006.

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  1. Stewart Vernon

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    I do agree and notice that women are denounced for being "easy" or whores or whatever.... but somehow people conveniently forget that in order for her to be a whore or "easy" there was a man involved.... so if what she is doing is so awful, why doesn't that reflect on the man as well?

    I'm neither a prude nor a habitual sinner... falling somewhere in between, as I figure most people really do... and it is a weird paradox.
     
  2. Laverne

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    WAAYYY off-topic here...

    [Ignoring the fact that most of your post was way off-base, IMFO...]
    Sometimes all women want in exchange for their affection is GOOD SEX, which is a lot less easy to be had than men would like us to believe. ;)

    :rolleyes:

    And what... according to the Gospel of Saint Nick... are the right reasons?? Hmm???
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  3. jonstad

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    You go girl!:box: :goodjob:
     
  4. Fifty Caliber

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    Let's not forget the greatest example of this, Julius Caesar, the bisexual Roman general who almost became the first Roman Emperor.
     
  5. News Junky

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    I’m getting ready to duck brinks for saying it but IMHO there is a difference between a man who gets around and a woman who does. Men and women are different. I'll say firstly that both genders are harming themselves by being promiscuous. I look at it like this. We’ve all seen those port-o-potties and hate having to use them. Promiscuity is like using a port-o-potty. However in this comparison if a man uses it he feels creepy for a day, takes a shower and forgets about it. But in terms of sleeping around because of the way a woman is made she becomes the port-o-potty and a container for bacteria, and you name it.

    • More susceptible to infections
    • More susceptible to disease
    • Can become pregnant
    • With multiple partners she could be in a situation where she is not sure of who the father is
    • The cultural stigma of being a slut vs. being Da Man. I don’t agree with it but I realize it exists

    Women do need to guard their honor more closely because they have more severe consequences to worry about.

    People are sexual beings and there’s nothing wrong with sex. It just needs to be confined to a permanent, death do us part, exclusive covenant.
     
  6. Fifty Caliber

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    And there is no reason that gay and lesbian people should be excluded from that ideal.
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    Last I heard, men and women are pretty much equally able to get and transmit most diseases. Not everything has to be traditional sex, since there are other places (like the mouth for instance) that both sexes have, and lots of diseases that like to go that way.

    Women can become pregnant, so I'd agree a woman should think more about what she does since she knows that... but if she doesn't become pregnant, then she is no different than the man... and if she does become pregnant, then if she is a "whore" for doing so, then the man is a ******* or something if he gets someone pregnant in a similar manner.

    With multiple partners a woman might not know who the father is... but men who sleep around may have fathers lots of children that they don't know about and are neglecting them... so it is a similar/reciprocal problem that can happen.

    Which all boils down to the unfair cultural stigma that a woman who sleeps around a lot is a whore while a man who does it is a stud/cool guy. I've never understood that, and in my book I equate the activity as being equal... and if I think less of a woman who does it I also think less of a man who does it... but I guess that's just me.
     
  8. Nick

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    The...
    Adding fuel to the fire....
     
  9. tomcrown1

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    How can the truth harm someone?? Visa does come in pink:rolleyes:
     
  10. Geronimo

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    No one has the right to force sex on another. No one has the right to be violent with another person.

    Sex within an exclusive covenant is a nice idea. But that 's not what we had here. And all the talk about VISA cards, homosexuality, bisexuality etc is sort of distracting from what I thought was the main issue.

    Personally I just want to know the facts of the case. The rest is extraneous.
     
  11. Laverne

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    I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with those statements at all.


    I hope you're not looking for facts in the POT forum! !rolling

    That's like looking for a needle in a haystack! :lol:
     
  12. Bogy

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    That's ok Laverne, it was just another feeble Nick post.
     
  13. Bogy

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    I'm going to make an assumption here, because of your statements about a permanent, death do us part, exclusive covenant, and other statements as to who you find "worthy" of more respect, that you are a religious person. Possibly a Christian. When a bunch of guys hauled a woman caught in adultery before Jesus, to see if he would authorize the penalty of stoning her to death, he said they could. If the one who had no sin cast the first stone. They were actually not observing the law completely when they brought the woman to Jesus. They didn't bring the man. For adultery to take place, there usually has to be two people involved. A woman has a hard time committing adultery by herself. It would have to be a VERY good vibrator to qualify. :D The law said BOTH the woman AND the MAN were to be stoned to death. They both sinned, they both were to suffer any penalty. Jesus did not say, "stone the sinful woman, and congratulate the stud." BTW, no stones were thrown that day. We might all get along better if fewer stones got thrown by those who see themselves as righteous, or self-righteous, as the case may be.

    I am all for permanent, loving, committed relationships. I am also for forgiveness and compassion.
     
  14. News Junky

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    Well said. Me too. No one deservs to be raped. IMHO some victims suffer a more tarumatic impact.
     
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    This is undoubtedly one of the most revolting things I have ever read.

    You are either a misogynistic, moronic *******; or your meds dosages are way off.

    This pathetic excuse for an opinion obviously says more about the women you know and choose to associate with than women in general.
     
  16. Bogy

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    That's because Nick is kind of feeble, and feels that if anyone is offended by what he writes it is their problem. The good thing is that you don't have to worry about offending him by anything you write, because obviously that wouldn't be your problem, it would be his.
     
  17. the_bear

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    I see this as simple biology. Men that had sex with the most women had the greatest number of “successful” offspring. Women that had sex with the most men did not have the greatest number of successful offspring. Instead, women that had sex with the most successful men had the most successful offspring. In the US, wealth is the most common measure of success. Biology is why we have so few women raping men. If women is not able to pick the most successful man (ie. rape), we get an increased number of unsuccessful people, which reverses evolution. I would go further theorize, if the human gestation period was much shorter and babies were completely self-sufficient, we would have women raping men and a very different culture.
     
  18. tomcrown1

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    What???:confused:
     
  19. Geronimo

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    Well it sia foolish quest. I admit that. Really though I just want to point out that while it might be fun to talk express ourselves in these forums we should be aware that there are often facts that are not at our disposal. In other words things are not always what they seem from the outside.
     
  20. jonstad

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    What you say are essential truths Bear even though it may have gone over the heads of some. Or should I say crowns?:p

    But a big part of what we surrender for civilization is the freedom to act at will on some of our baser and more primal instincts. Prior to agriculture and the first organized towns and villages, you could rape any virgin or dancing girl you could "get away with", literally. As long as the subject didn't scratch your eyes out, or her father or mate or tribespeople didn't hunt you down and tear your spleen out,:bonk1: and the mating ended in a pregnancy, you had successfully passed on your genes to the next generation.

    At the time unfortunately, "rape" may have been a fairly successful breeding strategy. Termination of ANY pregnancy in a hunter/gatherer society meant either killing the woman or at least putting their lives and/or furure fertility in great danger. For a group that might have only several women capable of bearing offspring, putting any of their lives in unnecessary jeopardy was a risky business. Especially since you might be killing another female(or at least another group member) in their belly. And it's pure speculation on my part, but I fear the unconscious species memory that rape can be a successful breeding strategy is part of the reason the practice is still prevalent today. Ironically, we still have religious and societal pressures against terminating a pregnancy for any reason. Some would make it a crime even for rape or incest. And some would even prohibit it to safeguard the life of the mother. And so, even in our modern world, rape may STILL be a successful breeding strategy! But I digress:D

    The point is, in order to maintain an ordered society, there must be laws to prevent men from forcing sex on any woman, no matter how powerful that man may be. And this should equally apply to virgins saving themselves for marriage as well as dancing girls who get drunk and naked in front of a varsity lacrosse team!
     
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