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Which antenna is included with VOOM normally?

Discussion in 'VoomTalk.Com (Closed Forum)' started by jgoggan, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. Mar 9, 2005 #1 of 16
    jgoggan

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    My VOOM installation is tomorrow. Can anyone tell me which Winegard Sensar antenna they would normally included in an install where the stations are 40-50 miles away?

    I requested an 8-bay, but they told me that they had to try the recommended Sensar first and, if it didn't do well, then they would put in a request for the 8-bay. She didn't know the model number off hand though -- but said that it was not the Stealth, was pre-amplified, and did not look like the older "traditional" antennas (which is a good thing for me because my wife really doesn't want the "old-style" looking antenna). She also said something about it being "oval shaped in the middle" possibly.

    Anyone have any idea which Sensar that would be? Just so I know what to expect tomorrow. And, also, if they have one, how good it appears to be working and how far away is it pulling a station in from?

    Thanks!

    - John...
     
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    http://www.winegard.com/offair/sensar.htm

    Amplified with either the back of the dish or seperate mount. :)

    Works good depending on terrain an elevation, likes a clean line of site. As high on the house as it can go. :D

    Some places I install are on the wrong side of a large military base. :nono2: Not even with an eight bay. :nono:

    The antenna field for Fox, NBC, ABC, and CBS are all colocated in my area. :righton: UPN an WB, you might need to move your house so those line up. :D

    The antenna also requires power for the amp, the installer needs to know how to get it with the various switchs an power inserters that Voom ships. Done a lot of service calls where that was the problem. :grin:

    Good Luck and make sure its grounded. :)
     
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    jgoggan

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    Thanks very much for the info!

    - John...
     
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    Good advice, Sam, especially the reminder about grounding. Every antenna is a lightning rod.

    No big deal if he lives in a mobile home! :D
     
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    Well -- the install went well -- and appears to be properly grounded even.

    With the Sensar, we're not getting anything in the scan. It stops at a couple of channels for a bit, but can't get a lock. If I manually try the aim, I can get 80-82 for a second or two, but then it drops to 40-60 or so most of the time -- so it won't lock.

    They are going to bring a Channel Master 8-Bay on Monday. We'll see if that might pull in the ones on the edge...

    The installer told me that the Sensar is amplified, but the 8-Bay is not -- but that they are still having better luck with the 8-Bays.

    - John...
     
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    The installer told me that the Sensar is amplified, but the 8-Bay is not -- :icon_stup

    Can you post some pics? How many receivers ya get? Is there a multiswitch, what kind. How are the antenna an dish configured. How do the cables run.

    Never had a sensar fail to lock on at lest some stations, even on the wrong side of military bases.

    For eight bays to be amplified there is an additional kit the installer would have to purchase. All antennas can be amplified.
     
  7. jgoggan

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    Sure -- but of what? Do you want to see my Dish and Sensar?

    Just one.

    I'm not sure -- I'm not as familiar with the VOOM stuff yet. It looks like the antenna and satellite feeds are combined and run into the house with one RG-6 wire. Then, he added a little snap/screw on piece that takes that single input and divides it to separate antenna and dish source inputs at the receiver.

    Well, these are towers that are about 53 miles away. Granted, the Sensar's own specs say for 10 to 55 miles away, but he tells me that he doesn't usually have much luck over 40 miles or so with them.

    The 8-Bay's specs are a little further -- up to 60 miles. He tells me that he has much better luck with the 8-Bays than the Sensars.

    That's what I was thinking -- I thought it weird that he said that. Unless he just means "when free from VOOM." Any idea if VOOM will pay for the amplification kit for the 8-Bay also?

    - John...
     
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    Also -- any recommendations on a good amplifier for use with the 8-Bay?

    Maybe the CM 7775 (UHF only)? Or 7777 (UHF and VHF)?

    - John...
     
  9. samrs

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    I'm not sure -- I'm not as familiar with the VOOM stuff yet. It looks like the antenna and satellite feeds are combined and run into the house with one RG-6 wire.

    What did he use to combine them with.

    That's what I was thinking -- I thought it weird that he said that. Unless he just means "when free from VOOM." Any idea if VOOM will pay for the amplification kit for the 8-Bay also?

    Voom pays up to $150 for antenna upgrades. Eight Bay $35. Amp $35. Plus labor.
     
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    I saw it when it was sitting in the truck, but I forgot what it was. I'll try to double-check tomorrow and let you know. It had three inputs and two outputs. The diagram made it look like two inputs were for the dish and antenna and went to just one output. Then it had another input that went straight through to another output (i.e. without the antenna combined with it). He just used the 2-to-1 combiner and the others were not used -- he had a cover/plug on the second output. Again, that was in the truck -- I'll double-check what actually went up there.

    Ok -- sounds good. I just called VOOM and had them add the amplifier request to the work order -- so now it says "Channel Master 8-Bay Antenna and Channel Master 7775 Amplifier". We'll see if that works -- VOOM said that the installer would let me know if there would be an extra charge for the amplifier because they (the CSR) didn't know.

    - John...
     
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    Three in and two out would be the standard winegard signal combiner(likely silver) shiped with the dish. Just a fancy power passing diplexer good deal. Long as he hooked the wires up right. Assuming the antenna is as high as it will go an pointed in the right direction should work less theres issues.

    I been using a Winegard AP-8780 on eight bays, seems to work well. Shouldn't be any additional charge. Course ya never know what some folks will do. :(
     
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    I do have a question about the amplified Sensar though while we're discussing this. How is it powered exactly? Searching online it appears to be AC 117v, correct? Does that mean it should be plugged in somewhere? I don't recall him powering it with anything. I also don't remember any connections on it when I looked at it before he put it up.

    Is it supposed to be plugged in for power? Maybe he TOLD me it was amplified, but it really isn't the amplified model? The box just says something along the lines of "Sensar RV Replacement Antenna" -- no model number on the box that I can see.

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    The Sat Reciever puts out some volts. Thats how the amp is powered. If it's wired correct dosn't require a power inserter. What I asked earlier. Sounds like it's wired correct. Voom recieiver with square box on back. RG6 to ground block. RG6 to Winegard signal combiner, dish /antenna(high as installer will go). Pointed in the correct direction.
     
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    Looked up ur zipp. Thats kind of rich. :lol: Caddilac, Kalamazoo :D or somethin along those lines. Hope your satellite signal is fine. :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. In any case, I live in Weidman -- just west of Mount Pleasant. The DMA is Flint/Saginaw -- even though I've physically closer to the Cadillac towers. I'm in the very farthest corner of the Flint/Saginaw DMA. :(

    Ok -- so -- something interesting. Last night, I decided to run the antenna search again. This time it found one local with a good, strong, constant 87 signal! This was the one that, during the day, would hit 80 for a second and then drop to anywhere from 20-60 and hop around there -- never over 80 long enough for a lock. But, at night, it comes it nicely. So, I appear to have ABC, at least, in HD during primetime. We'll see if that lasts or not. The tower is about 53 miles from me. So, that's something, at least! :)

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    Well -- the installer came back with my 8-bay. I get about the same reception as with the (amplified) Sensar -- which means I get one channel -- and only at night -- and only some nights. :)

    However, they ARE going to send me the CM 7775 amplifier when it comes in. We'll see how that goes. But, provided that they actually send it like they said they would, it should mean that I end up with the 8-bay and amplifier, like I wanted, for free. I'll let you know if they actually ship it or not...

    - John...
     

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