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Whole Home DVR Service Information and FAQ

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Grentz, May 26, 2010.

  1. Feb 5, 2011 #341 of 503
    MISpat

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    You would expect this different to only occur on remote recordings though?

    I wouldn't care about how it isn't smooth if it just worked at the same speed as it does for local recordings. And of course if it didn't get stuck when I try to play it. It's a liveable situation, but is this normal operation for everyone?
     
  2. Feb 5, 2011 #342 of 503
    SPACEMAKER

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    As a follow up to my earlier posts in this thread, I have a tech coming tomorrow to install an ICK. I was only charged $25 so I guess I that's cool. No charge for the truck roll.
     
  3. Feb 5, 2011 #343 of 503
    Kevin872

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    I thought I saw a post about this the other day but I'll be damned if I can find it now (even searching).

    I already had a SWM8 and recently ordered DECA adapters to switch over from wired CAT 5 on all STBs to DECA. I was told I needed a BSF between the SWM8 (non "green") and the "green" 4-way splitter.

    My question: Is there an INPUT and OUTPUT on a BSF, or does it not matter?

    From its design, I figured it was obvious that if it were installed behind an STB then the BSF's built-in white coax pigtail would go to the STB and the original sat cable would screw into the other end, and therefore the white coax pigtail would be the "output". But when connected to an SWM8, you are protecting the SWM, so I decided that the built-in white coax pigtail should go to the SWM8 and I installed a short 8" coax cable between the other end of the BSF and the input on the splitter.

    Is this right? Wrong? Doesn't matter? I think in the thread I saw the other day about it, someone said not to worry because you 'could not get it wrong' or something to that effect. While I agree with that if you are installing the BSF behind an STB (there really is only one way to install it), I don't think there is an obvious way to install it when installing between an SWM8 and a splitter because the connectors on both of those are same.

    I haven't had a chance to install the DECA stuff yet because I had been waiting on a new STB from DirecTV and it turned out I had to order one more DECA adapter because they shipped me an H21-200 (I had my fingers crossed for an H24). So I don't know if it "works" as it is or not. I'm not installing any part of the DECA equipment until I have everything I need to finish it.
     
  4. Feb 5, 2011 #344 of 503
    dsw2112

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    The orientation does not matter
     
  5. Feb 5, 2011 #345 of 503
    Kevin872

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    I kind of had a feeling that was the case but wanted to be sure. Thanks!

    I hope this DECA thing works as well as my CAT 5 MRV does. No problems at all, but for other reasons I decided to switch over to DECA for my DirecTV network, which will tie in to my router with a DECA Internet adapter. Seems quite a few people are having issues with DECA though. I plan to continue using static IPs, which I think helps prevent problems anyway.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2011 #346 of 503
    SPACEMAKER

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    So what he ended up doing was adding a DECA directly to my router. Everything is now working. Great success!
     
  7. Feb 6, 2011 #347 of 503
    dsw2112

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    Running a coax to your router is the right way to do it. He did good :)
     
  8. Feb 6, 2011 #348 of 503
    SPACEMAKER

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    It was his first time installing internet to a set up with anything other than an HR24. I was able to use some diagrams from this thread to offer assistance.
     
  9. Feb 6, 2011 #349 of 503
    Laxguy

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    Winters,...
    This maybe picking at little tiny insect things, but does ethernet cabling fall under coax types? Or can it be done by what I call (possibly incorrectly) coax, [ie. what DirecTV installs with], from a router to the inserter? Mine is done with standard ethernet cabling from the router to the Inserter, which is of course, coax to the rest of the system.
     
  10. Feb 6, 2011 #350 of 503
    veryoldschool

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    the BB DECA comes with a short ethernet jumper. Connecting this is the extent of "ethernet cabling" that DirecTV will do. Coax to the location and just the jumper to the router.
     
  11. Feb 6, 2011 #351 of 503
    dsw2112

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    As VOS mentioned there's a short length of ethernet cable from the broadband DECA that D* will connect to your router. If your router is in a seperate room from a D* receiver the policy is to run a coax to the router and place a BB DECA at that point. D* won't run ethernet cable from room to room.
     
  12. Feb 6, 2011 #352 of 503
    Laxguy

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    Winters,...
    Thanks to both for the clarification: So, in all cases, the actual connection is ethernet, however short, via standard ethernet cabling.

    Is it - the (Cat 5?) ethernet cable a coax? I am pretty sure not, but now I understand the coax run part better.
     
  13. Feb 6, 2011 #353 of 503
    The Merg

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    Cat5 cable is an ethernet cable and basically looks like a large telephone cord and end. The coax cable is your traditional cable used for watching TV.

    - Merg
     
  14. Feb 6, 2011 #354 of 503
    SPACEMAKER

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    Precisely what I have connected to my WRT160 port number 2.
     
  15. Feb 6, 2011 #355 of 503
    dsw2112

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    Cat5 is not coaxial. There are also several types of ethernet cable of which CAT5 is only one. It's kind of like calling every DVR a Tivo. In the same way not all ethernet cable is CAT5.
     
  16. Feb 7, 2011 #356 of 503
    ShapeGSX

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    I currently have:
    AT9 Sidecar dish
    HR20-700
    DirecTV Tivo series 2
    Total Choice Plus legacy package

    I believe my dish needs alignment since I tend to get a lot of video and audio dropouts. Also, the hard drive in the Tivo is failing for a 2nd time. I don't want to replace the damn drive again.

    I wanted to get MRV, so I was planning on getting that and an HR24 at the same time. The HR24 would replace the Tivo. And I figured they would upgrade the dish to the latest SWM model and align it at the same time.

    Unfortunately, the snow in Massachusetts has foiled my plans. I'm not sure that they can install a dish with this much snow on the ground. And I'm also not sure that I want them installing the dish in the cold, when they are less likely to do a decent job aligning it (which may have been the issue with my current dish).

    But the failing Tivo needed a replacement. So I called up DirecTV. I told them I wanted an HR24 to replace it. She said they can't guarantee the model. So I asked if I could order one from a retailer and get a credit on my account. They agreed to this, so I will get a $100 credit on my account once the HR24 is activated.

    But I've just heard that I am more likely to get a deal on the MRV install if I get it while I'm off contract. ARGH!

    So, I'm left with some questions. Can they install a dish with 2+ feet of snow on the ground, covering my current multiswitch? My current dish is on the wall of the 2nd floor of my house. I'm not sure I'd go up on a ladder with this much snow on the ground.

    What is the current going rate to install an MRV system? Is it $200 or $250? Do they give out deals if you are under contract? I've been a customer for 9 to 10 years. Yeah, I know, YMMV. :)

    The HR24 will be installed right next to my router, if it matters. The HR20 will be in the bedroom.

    The HR24 arrived today, and I'm eager to activate it, but not if it costs me a ton.

    I'm pretty sure the answer will just be "call them," but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
     
  17. Feb 9, 2011 #357 of 503
    murry27409

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    I've an HR20-100& an HR22-100. I had ethernet MRV activated last June, and I noticed the lag time in using 30s slip,FFD,REW, and in the time it took for a recording to start playing.

    Since I overwhelmingly use the 30s slip, I timed it on several recordings from both, and on buffered TV from both.
    The results were almost identical:

    Viewing from HR20-100
    Local (recording or buffered) 30s slip took ~ 2s
    Remote 30s slip took ~ 6s

    Viewing from HR22-100
    Local (recording or buffered) 30s slip took ~ 2s
    Remote 30s slip took ~ 6s

    Additionally, the remote slip is much choppier than the local, regardless of which IRD I was using. While watching the screen during the slip, the images depicted often seemed to be out of order or even further ahead than 30s. However, both the remote and local slip ended at almost the same points.

    The main issue I have with the lag is watching recorded sporting events. The choppiness makes it difficult on my timing, as I use the 30s slip to move along thru the game, esp. in football. The 30s slip works great as I synchronize it with the play clock. It's kind of like watching the NFL replay on Ch 212!

    I'm wondering is this behavior b/c of using ethernet for MRV?
    I've got the DVR's separated from the main network via their own switch.
    Would the remote lag be reduced if I change to DECA?
     
  18. Feb 9, 2011 #358 of 503
    MISpat

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    I asked a similar question except that I'm using DECA and my receivers are 2 HR-24's and an H23. I never got an answer to that but from what you posted here it seems that this is normal for both of us. My 30sec slip frequently takes around 7 seconds on remote recordings. Fast Forward and Rewind are slower too. Do you notice that on remote recordings as well?
     
  19. Feb 9, 2011 #359 of 503
    Laxguy

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    My 30sec slip took between 5 and 7 seconds. Then I learned how to set 30SKIP, and it's under 2 seconds. All you do is go into Search and enter that or SKIP30- sorry I cannot check right now-
     
  20. murry27409

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    Yes, there is a lag while using FFW & REW on remote programs, regardless of which IRD I am using, eventhough the HR20 is faster while navigating menu's, the guide, etc.
    I did some more testing and observed this:

    6 slips (= ~3 min, the avg. length of a commercial break, IMO)
    Neither DVR was recording at the time of the measurments.

    HR20-100 (15% free, native on)
    STD DEF
    Local ~10.5s
    Remote ~16s
    HI DEF
    Local ~11s
    Remote ~24s

    HR22-100 (35% free, native on)
    STD DEF
    Local ~9.75s
    Remote ~16.5s
    HI DEF
    Local ~10s
    Remote ~22s

    I also noticed that the slip times varied more on remote recordings, SD & HD, than on local ones.

    So are your results, which seem similar to mine, typical of a DECA setup? I was hoping that with DECA, the lag times would be reduced, but if that is not the case, then I don't really have a reason now to change to DECA from ethernet.

    Thnx, but I like using slip mainly for 2 reasons:
    Commercial breaks tend to vary in length
    I watch a lot of recorded sporting events
    Since skip jumps ahead, I end up having to jump back, often a couple of times, whereas with slip, I am viewing the action and, when necessary, can hit play "just in time".
     

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