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Whole Home DVR Service Information and FAQ

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Grentz, May 26, 2010.

  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I use skip and yes I can skip too far, but from your times slipping, "I think" it is still faster to skip back for the times it does.
     
  2. Laxguy

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    +1

    Also, the FF buttons "give you the slip", with a choice of four speeds. I got pretty good using 3x going through four minutes of commercials, or 2x between snaps.
     
  3. murry27409

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    I used the skip heavily with Tivo. Started off on the HR's that way, but when the slip came out, I tried both and I was more satisfied with slip, esp. with sports. I never did time one against the other, so you may be right.

    However, my main question is whether the lag and choppiness I am experiencing with my ethernet setup with remote recordings would be reduced with a DECA setup. The delay times on both HR's on local recordings are acceptable; it's the remote delay times that are bothersome. If the lag is as pronounced on a DECA setup, then I'll stay with ethernet and try using skip again.

    Is that while viewing a remote recording? I just tried FFx3 vs 8 30s slips on a local recording, and the slip was faster. With the lag times I am experiencing with remote recordings, using FF would not only take longer, but with the choppiness of the stream, I may end up having to jump back as well.

    I have discovered though that with certain quaterbacks, FF is better than slip b/c they tend take less time to snap the ball. Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, to name a few. Of course no trickplay is used during no huddle series! :lol:
     
  4. MISpat

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    I also prefer 30SLIP instead of 30SKIP but I changed it to SKIP to reduce the time. So that's better, but FFD and RWD are still a drag.

    Murry, the lag that you're experiencing using ethernet seems identical to mine with DECA. So it sounds to me like this is standard for everyone on remote recordings regardless. I have yet to see anyone saying that they don't have the same lag that you and I are experiencing on remote recordings.
     
  5. djb60

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    I've tried to comb through this thread to get my own answers, but I'm not 100% sure I've followed everything correctly. So if I could get some feedback/confirmation/direction from the forum, I'd appreciate it.

    My current set-up:

    HR24-500 with an SWM ODU (PI21R1-03) between the DVR and the wall and an ethernet connection to the back of the HR24-500
    Slimline SWM dish connected to a SWS-14R2 splitter
    Three D12-100 standard receivers
    All the connectors/splitters (and most of the coax) were installed by Directv.

    I want to set up the system for Whole Home DVR so that I can watch recorded programs from one other room. It looks like it should (might?) be as simple as switching out one of the D12-100 receivers and replacing it with an H24-100 receiver and requesting Directv to enable the Whole Home DVR on an unsupported system.

    Questions:
    1. Is it that simple?
    2. If I purchase the H24 myself, how is it activated? (And do I end up paying rent on 5 receivers instead of 4?)
    3. Do I need any BSFs between the D12s and the rest of the system (none right now that I know of)


    I had the system installed last September but didn't have an additional HD TV until December. I've tried calling customer service to have one of the receivers changed out, but they're wanting $399 and it looks like the H24 is available on line for around $100. So I've been trying to understand my options by going through this forum.

    Any input is appreciated. (And I have no issues with having Directv do the work, but that seems like a lot of money for what seems like 30 seconds of work. If I'm asking them the wrong question, let me know that, too.)

    Thank you.
     
  6. RAD

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    If your SWiMLNB doesn't have a green label on it you'll need to put a Band Stop Filter between the splitter and the SWiMLNB. You'll also need to put a BSF on the D12's that you're keeping. Also if the splitted isn't a green lablel splitter you'll need to replace that with a green label one (green lable hardware is spec'ed out to with on a DECA network).

    If you want internet access still on your HR24 for DirecTV on Demand, TVApps, DIRECTV2PC and MediaShare you'll also need a broadband DECA (BB-DECA) to internet connect the two networks. For that you'll need another open coax connection so you'd either need to get a 2 way green lable splitter to go inline on one of your existing feeds or an 8 way splitter and replace your current 4 way.

    Probably the hardest part would be to get DIRECTV to activate WHDVR service on your account, see the posts in this thread about the best way to get that done.
     
  7. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    "Seems like" swapping a D12 with a H24 and then calling, should get you working. Adding BSF to the remaining D12s should be done too.
    Deactivating the D12 should have them ask for it back, but this is how you don't have to pay the monthly fee.
    Since the HR24 & H24 have the internal DECA, there "shouldn't be" a service call but you won't have an internet connection without the Cinema connection kit, which would require a service call.
     
  8. djb60

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    Thanks for the info, RAD and VOS. Some more information and a few more questions.

    The Slimline dish appears to be an SL3S with the LNB integrated into it. The current/original installation has no BSFs to the D12s or between the LNB and the splitter. I found some references that make it look like the D12s don't need BSFs with an SL3S (but do with an SL3). I've found other references that say you should have BSFs on the D12s even with a SL3S.

    Also, it looks like every piece of equipment has green labels on it.

    So if the system was installed correctly and I don't currently need BSFs on the D12s, then would I need it after installing WHDVR?

    On the other hand, for $4 a piece it seems like I should put BSFs in just in case. (Will putting in BSFs when they're 'not needed' every hurt?)

    Thanks, again, for your inputs.
     
  9. veryoldschool

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    It helps to know why/what the BSFs do.
    When you have the DECA active, it outputs a very high level signal. This is what you want to block from the tuners. Using an external DECA does this, but the D12 doesn't have a network connection, so a DECA is a waste, "therefore" you use a filter to block.
     
  10. djb60

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    VOS,

    Thanks for the explanation. So even though the HR24 has a built-in DECA, since none or the other receivers had DECAs there wereno high level signals. But when the H24 with its built-in DECA is added and the WH DVR system is active, then there will be high level signals and the D12s will need the BSFs. Correct?

    Assuming I'm close, I understand the D12s will need the BSFs.

    Thanks for the help.
     
  11. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Sounds pretty close.
    When a 24 has the ethernet cable connected, it disables the internal DECA.
    I'm not sure what happens with a 24, when there is no ethernet and no other DECA on the network. It either also turns off or doesn't, which would mean filters would be needed to other receivers. :shrug:
     
  12. x2lacrosse

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    I've been w/ DTV, but just upgraded to HD. Here's what I have:

    (1) HR24-100
    (1) H24-100
    (1) Slimline 3 Dish

    I do have DVR service and understand that my STB's are internal DECA, so what else do I need to get Whole Home going? I did read the very first post of this thread, but am still a bit foggy on the topic. Any help would be appreciated.
     
  13. Davenlr

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    x2lacrosse: If you have two coax cables running to your DVR, you will need a new LNB. If you only have one coax running to your DVR, and are able to use both tuners, you simply need to activate whole home on the D* website. If you also want video on demand, you will need to add a 2 way splitter near your router or an ethernet outlet, and a whole home deca adapter and power supply.
     
  14. x2lacrosse

    x2lacrosse New Member

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    Thanks 4 the feedback. Ok, I have (4) linesfrom the SL3 down to a Zinwell Wide-Band Multi SW; then 2 to the DVR and 1 each to 2 other STB's. In addition to a new LNB, would I need to replace that Zinwell unit w/ a SWM switch and SWM splitter? Also, isn't the LNB up at the SL3 itself?

    I also have BBC's at each HD STB's, do those remain in place or come out? I think they're only necessary in non-SWM setups correct?
     
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    murry27409 Member

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    Confirmed on my setup.
    I picked up 2 DECA's (free!) from a co-worker that just had his 2 DVR's replaced with HR24's. Then I bought a BB DECA, some green label splitters and BSF's on ebay. Switched to a DECA config last wknd. No difference in performance on any of the activites (begin playback, FFW, REW, 30S slip, etc).
     
  16. mjm76

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    I have been considering getting Whole home DVR/MRV. On my HR24-500 DVR, I have a DVR expander (1TB) and I was wanting to know if this DVR expander is compatible with MRV?

    I hope so, I would hate not to be able to use the DVR expander. It is a Western Digital.

    Thanks,
     
  17. Go Beavs

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    If it works with your DVR, it should work with MRV. Your other receivers/DVR's see what the other DVR's have recorded on their HD, whether on internal or external (just not both :))
     
  18. MSNFlier

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    My questions are somewhat related to MJM76's post about using WHDVR with a DVR expander. I have a 1.5TB external DVR connected to my HR21-700 that currently has many first-run episodes and other content recorded on it that I'd rather not lose before I have an opportunity to watch them (I travel a lot for work and don't watch a lot of TV, so I just save up stuff I enjoy and watch as time allows - thus the giant external DVR).

    My questions are these:

    1. Although it appears that the HR21-700 DVR is compatible with WHDVR using an external DECA, does anyone have any thoughts about whether I may lose the recorded content on my external DVR when this is set up?

    2. Alternatively, if the installer chooses to install a new HR24, will I lose the existing recorded content on my external DVR when I connect that to the new HR24? In other words, will the HR24 want to format my external DVR when it "sees" it connected for the first time, even though the external DVR is already formatted because it's being used with the existing HR21-700?

    Of course, I understand that I could just wait until the current seasons end and I get through the existing content on my DVR, but I'm in a bit of a travel lull so it seems that it's a good time to get this done. Losing that content may just be part of my opportunity cost, I suppose.

    Thanks in advance for any thoughts or ideas anyone might be able to offer.
     
  19. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Not sure why some think an eSATA drive would be affected by a networking function. :confused:
     
  20. MSNFlier

    MSNFlier New Member

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    Thanks to Very Old School for responding so quickly to my post regarding the effect of "MRV" on an external DVR. I just realized that I incorrectly used the term "MRV" to refer to the "Whole Home DVR" service (WHDVR is the correct abbreviation?).

    I have edited my post to reflect this, but I suspect the answers would be the same, regardless of whether its MRV or WHDVR?
     

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