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Why do Americans (as a whole) dislike Soccer?

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    Steve Mehs

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    As far as I’m concerned, there is nothing like playoff hockey. The intensity is unreal, and once you start getting into multiple OTs, that’s when it heats up.

    One of the best hockey games I saw recently went almost scoreless. Sabres Miracle on Ice May 4th 2007. Best birthday present I could have got, other than seeing it in person at the Arena. Rangers/Sabres Game 5 of Round 2. 0-0 at the end of 1, 0-0 at the end of 2, Rangers score with about 7 minutes left to go in the 3rd. Sabres pull Miller at the end. Final faceoff, Sabres score with 7.7 seconds left. In OT Sabres get on the power play pretty early, they fail to convert, Sabres get another power play Afanaganov scores about 6 minutes into the period. Game over, 2-1 Buffalo. Sabres tied up a game against Ottawa in Round 3 about a week later with 6.2 seconds left in the game, but that didn’t have such a happy ending.
     
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  4. Steve Mehs

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    I feel the same way when it comes to that 'sport' called soccer.
     
  5. Stuart Sweet

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    I think it's because Americans don't know how to properly say "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!!!"
     
  6. texasmoose

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    Soccer players feign injuries too much......................

    And like hockey there is not enough scoring................
     
  7. Chandu

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    Meanwhile in Toronto, Ontario (Canada, the land where sport of ice hockey was born according to most historical accounts), the crazy fanatic supporters of Toronto FC set the benchmark for the best fan atmosphere in all of MLS!!! Of course, these are not "Americans (as a whole)". But they're North American no less, and are raising the bar for fan support for rest of American fans of MLS teams.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4HSIMAjUTRs

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=unZ4uqzRCoY

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yb7C_pKF8bc

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6e4tLV8JsLQ


    Trans World International story:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=hE6db5CsybY Skip to 4:26 mark in the video if only interested in fan support story.


    Various post-match revelry:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=fhdwPPYO2TE

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=QPwLncJDDss

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=OwNzylM7u-0

    Showing in incredibly good numbers on an away trip to Toyota Park, Chicago, outsinging Chicago home supporters:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=noCm87Po1ls

    Very well done to these die-hards up in Toronto, keep that fantastic spirit!!!

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    Not to be outdone, in Houston, Texas fans called Texian Army for Houston Dynamo (a team which happened to be bitterly hijacked from under our noses in San Jose, but I'm finally able to get past my personal grudges now that we've got our team back next year) in their best spirit:

    Mocking David Beckham in a chant in first video:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=o1HGvuEAdko

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=MwoiD3M4FMs

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXYNdg52JEU

    Section 8, fanatic supporter group of Chicago FC in Toyota Park:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=SalLG52z0B4

    Timbers Army in Portland, Oregon and these guys don't even have an MLS team. They only have a USL team (consider it minor league), but they live and breathe for it. Tons and tons of kudos, guys!!! [​IMG]

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=40gOL8OvCy4

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=o6dxBD2Kcrw

    There, we have some of the best documented fanatic supporters in Washington, DC, Toronto, Chicago, Houston, and growing and growing elsewhere in USA and hopefully Canada. It's irrelevant who the "Americans (as a whole)" who dislike the sport as long as this die-hard fanatical segment keeps growing. Which it is. And that's all that matters for the suit-and-tie business people involved with this sport in this country.
     
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    Soccer's not my favorite sport, but I've seen my share. I can't say I have see a lot of players feign injuries.

    For that matter, hockey has its moments where scoring is low. I certainly wouldn't say overall that that's the case.
     
  9. purtman

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    Chandu, I'm not sure I would consider Toronto as being a true North American representation. It's a blend of citizens from so many different areas. I'm sure Houston has its share of Mexicans. However, Portland, Washington, and Chicago have a pretty good representation of Americans. I'd have to say you have some pretty valid points.
     
  10. Chandu

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    Why is that?

    Toronto is the New York of Canada. As Toronto turns, so does rest of Canada. That's where the biggest finance and media centres (note the correct Canadian spelling) of Canada are located. It's a true melting pot just like New York. I love Toronto, always have. You cannot disregard Toronto to be not North American like, just because it is such a blend. By that equation, you would have to disregard New York when talking about things USA, something you wouldn't seriously do. Toronto and New York are huge metropolis in Canada and USA respectively, and what happens there is important for those 2 countries.
     
  11. purtman

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    Good point. Let me reword this. The New York soccer fans are fans who still have more of an allegiance to their native countries. I listen to several New York sports stations every day at work and the people who have been there for a while rarely call in for that. I think folks from Toronto still carry more of their ethnic heritage.

    By the way, I did notice the Canadian spelling for "centre". My grandparents were from Canada so I got use to a lot of those spellings (center, harbour, etc.) growing up.
     
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    Meanwhile: Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! 66,237 in attendance tonight in New Jersey for an incredible MLS match - and purely for an MLS match between NY Red Bulls vs. LA Galaxy only, in which high quality 9 goals rained in all! No other gimmicks like combined with Mexican national team or Mexican super-club, no other international friendly, none of that!! This sort of attendance is approaching Manchester United or Bayern Muenchen territory!!!!

    Here, attendance in box score at bottom:

    http://web.mlsnet.com/scoreboard/game.jsp?match=08182007_LANY

    And the best part was that, this was not 66,237 of ice-cream or hot-dog eating, occasionally clapping mom and pop with kiddies, dog-and-pony-show kind of attendance. This was 66,237 with majority hardcore fans of the sport (they may not have been NY Red Bulls or MLS fans, but might become after tonight), singing, reveling, taunting, great atmosphere a professional sporting event should have.

    This is SIMPLY INCREDIBLE!!!! Yes, this is coming from me, someone who has followed this sport in USA for 20+ years and is most times quite conservative when making observations about it. Some of the best players did lay everything they've got on the line, rising to an occasion like this - Juan Pablo Angel, Josmer Altidore, Clint Mathis, David Beckham, Landon Donovan. This was simply remarkable!! If MLS keeps recruiting proper talent and emphasizes matches to be played with such intensity level they will be laughing their way to the bank. All this while Americans (as a whole) keep disliking the sport?!?!?!? :D
     
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    I absolutely agree with you - 100% and more.

    The biggest difference in Toronto compared to New York is that the owners of this new team Toronto FC learned from the mistakes of other MLS teams. Instead of trying to sell it to the kiddie soccer and their parents crowd, they went around in all soccer pubs in the city. They sold their team to the kind of crowd who were busy watching English Premiership, Portuguese Superliga, Italian Serie A etc. And there are thousands of them in Toronto every weekend morning during European club seasons. Of course they didn't have to sell them the sport as a professional product, they're dyed in the wool with it. They didn't have to teach them the way to support, the singing and reveling, drumming, confetti, none of that. It's already in their blood. They didn't dilute their product with gimmicks appealing to kids, like organ music over PA piped in the middle of action, selling cheap juvenile merchandise for kids on speakers before corners or free kicks are taken, none of that. Also, having a brand new stadium dedicated to their team on opening day, with a prime downtown location right in front of CN Tower, that also helped grabbing interest of hardcore fans of the sport. (As far as how they managed to achieve such an amazing feat, it is a long story. Ask me separately, if interested.) Somehow, unlike New York, in Toronto those people immediately took allegiance to the MLS team. They did it without discarding allegiance to whatever other teams they support in foreign lands.

    BTW, talking about New York, notice my earlier update about the historical MLS match in New Jersey tonight. I'm by no means claiming all those people will suddenly take to their NY Red Bulls MLS team or MLS in general. However, there is strong precedent for it. One by one, MLS is definitely taking the right steps.
     
  14. purtman

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    Chandu, I agree with you about the MLS taking the right process "step by step". That's the only way to do it. Taking the game to the true lovers of the sport is the only way to do it. You said you used to live in New England. I don't know if you recall, but Foxboro Stadium (or whatever it was called at the time) used to hold international soccer games. Those games used to draw pretty well.
     
  15. Chandu

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    Yes, I remember it and even now internationals involving Mexico, USA or other big name countries draw big attendances in all of USA. I used to live in central Maine in those days, too far from Foxboro. Also as a student, I was too poor to drive such a long distance or pay for an international.

    Anyway, it is a bit unfair to compare attendances of internationals with regular season games of any league. As a rule, internationals are one-off events in a city with novelty factor. They are pre-planned, and have dedicated marketing behind them. None of that applies to regular season league games.

    Outside of NFL, German Bundesliga and AFL in Australia, I don't know of too many top level pro leagues in the world that draw big attendances week in, week out. In case of NFL, there are very few regular season home games per season, and result of every individual game has enormous implications. Same thing is true for AFL as well, and the AFL matches are played in Australian cricket grounds with huge capacities. (Melbourne Cricket Ground which is considered the home of football and hosts large percent of regular season matches has a capacity of just over 100,000.) In case of Bundesliga, the reason attendances are so good is because the Germans have intentionally maintained lower ticket prices to favor bigger crowds. They openly encourage standing-only terraces and singing for hardcore supporters for cheaper ticket prices. I read somewhere that in some German stadiums, it is possible to attend top level Bundesliga matches in standing-only section for only 15 Euros!! After the re-construction of stadiums for big teams in 1990s, such low prices would be inconceivable at Premiership matches in England. Given the supporter friendly culture in Germany, it is little surprise that Bundesliga stadium atmosphere comes out looking so much better. For most big teams you see seas and seas of crowd in one color, e.g. Borussia Dortmund is one big yellow sea, Stuttgart or Bayern Muenchen are sea of red, Werder Bremen is a sea of green, Schalke is a sea of blue, etc.

    What does all this mean for MLS? Simple. They need to keep realistic expectations about average season attendances. Given their modest stadium capacities, it is a given that they'll be nowhere close to NFL or Bundesliga levels. Obviously these stadium capacities are part of the step-by-step process. Attendances like yesterday won't be the norm, because they won't be holding majority of events in stadiums like Giants Stadium.
     
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    OK, Chandu. I'm looking at the times of your posts and wondering, "Does he ever sleep?" :lol
     
  18. DawgLink

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    Eh, I am not even that big of a soccer fan.

    But Hockey? Did 99% of the country even know it started and finished this year? :lol:
     
  19. purtman

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    Just those of us with electricity. Did you guys in Louisiana get it yet?:lol:
     
  20. Chandu

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    Huh. Let's just say I'm in a different timezone or perpetually jet-lagged. :D

    You won't see too many posts from me during the morning hours in this timezone.

    Anyway, I just watched a pretty good interview from Lew Wolff, the owner of Oakland A's baseball team in which he presented his plans for building a brand new stadium for San Jose Earthquakes MLS team. His hope is to have it open in 2009. I'm pretty stoked. :cool:
     
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