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Why is E* now seemingly dragging their feet on HD channels?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by crackasmile, Nov 25, 2007.

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  1. msmith198025

    msmith198025 Member of the Year

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    if it is simply an error, you would think they would correct it. Its been up long enough.

    Here we go again......sd upconverts as HD?
     
  2. msmith198025

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    i dont dispute that, however i was simply replying to James asking what are they(E*) advertising that they dont deliver.
     
  3. msmith198025

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    haha true enough, however not the point, he(and I) were just pointing out that there has been more than just the MLB playoffs shown in HD on TBS
     
  4. ScoBuck

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    When did DISH drop A&E-HD, TBS-HD, TNT-HD, NFL-HD, ESPN-HD, and ESPN2-HD? According to the EKB those channels upconvert. Does Dish Network NOT intentionaly uplink and sell those channels in THEIR ads and include in their channel count as well?

    Another 'mistake'?

    http://ekb.dbstalk.com/dvse-HD.htm
     
  5. GrayCalx

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    I just really don't see this as feet dragging on Dish's part. Dish made a push earlier for HD, acquired VOOM and had the most HD channels of any provider. The D* made their push with HD, and had two (I could be wrong don't follow that much) rollouts of new national HD channels. That was what? 3 weeks? A month ago?

    I would bet my house Dish has plans in the works, and at some point in the future the bandwidth will be added, contracts will be signed and those channels will be released.

    ...and ya know what at that point some D* customer is going to be complaining that D* is dragging their feet. Its like Ford vs. Chevrolet, it all comes down to personal preference because over the long run they're all going to offer basically the same thing.
     
  6. GeorgeLV

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    And according to that list the crop-o-vision Discovery HD suite doesn't upconvert.

    If we want to play this game, we ought to be comparing the number of hours of unique HD content per week offered on each channel.
     
  7. ScoBuck

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    No need to play any game - I know that many of those channels upconvert and don't provide HD 24/7, and they all have varying amounts of HD.

    My post was solely in response to the post that inferred that DISH doesn't intentionally uplink and sell channels that upconvert - when in fact they ALL do.

    I am defending no one and no company.
     
  8. RAD

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    Dripping...
    It's been more like a bit over two months since D* started their HD rollout.
     
  9. James Long

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    And once again the trolls have invited themselves into the E* forum.
    Can't get enough satisfaction out of DirectTV "HD" channels so they come here? :)


    The point is, E* does not list TWC HD as part of their HD offerings. If there is a mistake in one of E*'s ads don't overlook at the mistakes in D*'s advertising. Neither company is perfect, despite what the D* trolls would like you to believe. Why they spend time on the E* is beyond me ... unless they are here to insult people.

    Folks who love to ignore that fact that D* uplinked and promoted AS HD channels before the channel had any HD content. Most of them actually have a few hours of HD on them now. But they were sold as HD from day one ... not as "placemarkers" but actual HD channels.

    Let's compromise ... count the number of mostly upconvert channels that D* has that E* does not have vs the opposite. Deal?
     
  10. RAD

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    And that goes back to a question that has been made to you before but I don't recall seeing you answer. Do you know for a fact and have the proof that these channels you keep mentioning are being upconverted by D* and not delivered by the content provider in that format? I do recall you making one mention that you don't see them being delivered to D*'s uplink via satellite and the response from that poster was maybe they're delivered by fiber with no response from you on that.

    The only place I know were to look for the uplink info would be on Lyngsat and I don't see many of the channels that D* shows as being in HD listed on that site. A couple examples are Fox Business New and the Big Ten Network, which we know are in HD. So do you know how these channels are getting to D*, if on satellite where else I guess we need to assume they're distributed via fiber at this time, which then says all the other channels you keep calling out as upconverts being done by D* may really not be.
     
  11. msmith198025

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    James, i dont know who you are directing the "troll" comment towards, however some of us have both D* and E*, and have the "right" to post in either thread. Im not a banner waiving advocate of either, however i will admit to right now, preferring D*. That being said, i have had E* much much longer and have had nothing but a pleasant experience with them, and will continue to have the same for the forseeable future.
    Do I agree with some of the tactics being used on both sides? No i do not.
    However i see a little more stretching the truth being done on the dish side than i do directv. Thats as unbiased as i can be.
     
  12. James Long

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    As mentioned before, there are two proofs that a station is in HD. One is a backhaul listing (LyngSat or other) that shows that channel as being distributed in HD. The other is actual HD content on the channel. Strechovision makes the second proof harder (as one must be able to tell if it is true HD or just a decent stretch.

    "Maybe" they are delivered by fiber?" Maybe they are delivered in SD and upconverted. Maybe works both ways.

    That answers your old question. On the question of Speed HD ...
    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1230990&postcount=71
    There are also threads praising the sighting of real HD on D*'s channels.
    Those threads are not needed unless HD is a rare event.

    Please read my posts ... don't just keep shooting from the hip. It's boring.
    And deceptive when you miss what I have actually written in your reply.
     
  13. RAD

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    James, that response is no proof at all then. As I said, show me where Fox Business or BTN is on Lyngsat, I can't find them, which means then either Lyngsat is incorrect or it's being distributed some other means, like fiber.

    If a content provider has given D* a seperate feed of a channel and they tell D* it's a HD channel then D* has every right to say here's XXX-HD channel, since that's what the content provider supplied to them. It's not D*'s fault/issue if that provider has supplied them nothing but SD content but don't make it sound like this is all lies being done stricktly by D*.

    Now maybe just think for a moment that D* isn't doing anything wrong and just maybe you need to stop with this gargabe.
     
  14. ScoBuck

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    Name calling won't ever make you right when you post incorrect information.

    You said they dont uplink or sell upconverted channels - they DO.
     
  15. Richard King

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    The production of those ads takes weeks and can not be fixed with the wave of the magic wand. I suspect that if someone has pointed the error to their advertising production company that a fix is in process. Don't expect to see it tomorrow though.

    I heard on XM today that a recent Target ad had a toy listed that was banned about a month ago. Questions were raised as to why this is still being advertised. As in the case of the Dish ad (I am certain) the flyer was printed and distributed well before the banning of the product. It could just be that Dish expected to have the channel in question by the time the ad ran. Then again, it could simply be an error on the part of the production company. In either case, don't expect a fix tomorrow.
     
  16. ScoBuck

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    No doubt about it - DirecTV is very guilty of this for sure - I don't agree with advertising in a way that makes it seem like you ALREADY offer something you don't. Some of the channels that are on the DirecTV website, and in their ads won't be lit for 4 months or so - that's too long to string people along IMHO.
     
  17. James Long

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    If your "they" is referring to E* I said no such thing. I said "Better to have one logo flash by in error than intentionally uplink and sell SD upconvert as HD channels."

    Which would you prefer? An error in an advertisement (such as D* playing their "move over" ad BEFORE the channels were launched) or SD channels being sold as HD?

    Some? Sounds like more than TWC HD. What is the threshold for a lie? D*'s ad had an incorrect count and many unlaunched logos with the voiceover "NOW" weeks before they were available. Are short term big lies better than (what you assume will be) a long term error.

    Any proof that TWC won't be up for 4 months? Complain then about "E* advertising for the past four months" instead of relying on your assumptions.

    And look at the D* ad again ... "packages starting at $29.95". We're back into the debate over who the biggest liar is. D* CERTAINLY does their share and I'm glad that you recognize that.
     
  18. braven

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    Calling peope morons and trolls isn't very "moderator" like. But that's just me. :rolleyes:
     
  19. MikeR7

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    I noticed this too, and wasn't going to say anything, but since you did I agree. :lol:
     
  20. ScoBuck

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    I don't like it either. BTW, we don't know if that was a mistake or not by DISH ( but I assume like you it was).
     
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