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Why is FIOS PQ so much better then DTV?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by demarco5, Jan 4, 2011.

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  1. Reaper

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    Do you still watch DVDs? Most people do, even if they have HDTVs and Blu-ray players. Why? Because 480p DVDs are still very watchable (the still very good PQ doesn't distract much from the overall enjoyment of the content).

    That's what SD is like on FiOS.

    When I had DIRECTV I limited my viewing to HD channels only, which really sucked when they only had a dozen or so. With FiOS I prefer HD (of course) but will watch SD too. I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
     
  2. Ganome_Danome

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    I'm the same way, I grew up with a Black and White TV, and a crappy VHS, and neither ever stopped me from enjoying the movies I watched on them. HD is a really nice feature to have, but it has never, not for one single second, changed how I've felt about the content I've watched on it.

    It's a fringe benefit, that doesn't have any impact on my life whatsoever, so at the end of the day, so long as the content is good, having it be in glorious HD is a nice bonus, but by no means necessary.

    And just like Super Audio CD/DVD Audio vs MP3, to this day, I'll still take convenience over quality (which is why I probably wouldn't dump DTV for Fios if I had the option - unless Verizon somehow decides to support HTPCs natively).
     
  3. veryoldschool

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    Since I do watch some DirecTV SD, I count on my Sony to do the scaling to fit the screen, and when it's been recorded in 16:9, I find I can zoom it to fit the screen and it "doesn't look that bad", but this is because of my TV and not the quality of the source as much.
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

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    Since only 14-15% of the US population has access to FIOS HD services...does any of this really matter as a mainstream issue?

    My area has FIOS slated for 2015 or beyond, and Verizon announced some time back a basic "freeze" on expanding their footprint nationwide...

    WOO HOO.
     
  5. veryoldschool

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    I expect to be dead before it's available here. Hell we only got DSL service a couple of years ago.
     
  6. padrino

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    can you take you FIOS to a rv lot? or state?
     
  7. seern

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    I have both Fios internet and phone to go along with my D*. I have no intention of switching the TV's over, even though all it means is swapping the boxes. What Fios offers here in Richmond is no different then what we get from D* and so far the new, larger hd dvr has not been offered here.
     
  8. hdtvfan0001

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    OUCH.

    I expect FIOS TV to be dead before it ever gets here. :D
     
  9. Reaper

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    Since I don't have an RV, I don't care. :D
     
  10. billsharpe

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    I've had a chance to see FiOS at two friends' houses over the holidays. I can't notice any PQ differences, but it appears FiOS has a bigger channel list than DirecTV.

    Of course my HD TV is 40 inches and the friends both have 32-inch sets, so I'm not really surprised that I can't notice any difference.

    I've got FiOS phone and internet service and may switch to FiOS TV when my 2-year term expires next year. It already looks like I can save some monthly costs that way.
     
  11. Reaper

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    By this "logic", only Dish Network and DIRECTV are "mainstream" because they are they only national providers. There's a lot of cable customers out there that might disagree with you though...

    And don't forget that competition is healthy.
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    You must be mistaking me for someone who would care anything about what cable companies might think. ;)
     
  13. Reaper

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    D'oh! What was I thinking?!?! :D
     
  14. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    !rolling
     
  15. nitz369

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    Well its just like CenturyLink Prism in my area. Prism HD is 8M streams, SD is 4M.
     
  16. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    8M for MPEG-2 ? if true, it's 2/3 of normal bandwidth ...
     
  17. nitz369

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    no its MPEG-4
     
  18. jpl

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    Actually, at some point... if what Verizon pitched at CES is accurate of what's to come... yeah. It looks like they're planning on taking IPTV to a level even beyond what I thought they would. Not only do they want to make all their linear TV delivery IP, it appears they're pushing that whole 'tv anywhere' thing to a new level as well. One presentation from CES that I saw on line showed FiOS TV running as a streaming ap via a Blu Ray player - I think the icon was right next to the Netflix streaming icon. Will that mean that you'll be able to run FiOS TV even if Verizon isn't anywhere in your state? Theoretically it seems like the answer would be: yes. I don't know if they're going to open it up like that, though, making it available to run on any HSI.
     
  19. matt

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    Yeah, D* and E* competing against each other has really [STRIKE]fixed[/STRIKE] lowered the prices...
     
  20. hasan

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    Succinctly (and accurately) put!

    Too many variables, too few controls.

    In the end, whatever the subjective experience of the viewer is, rules the day. Not only do we have to deal with suggestibility, but also cognitive dissonance and the role of expectations.

    From a cognitive dissonance point of view, if someone pays $2K for the latest and greatest (they've been told) HDTV, then it will be experienced as the latest and greatest, or the dissonance between the dollar outlay and the sub-par performance leads to "mental discomfort".

    On the other hand, the process can manifest in a different way: Expectations are through the roof, because of what one has heard and the investment made, and the HDTV can't possibly live up to them.

    In one case, we have an inferior product (objectively) being over rated, and in the other, we may have a superior product characterized as under-performing.

    The science of perception is full of pot holes, and in the absence of a well controlled, double-blind study, all we have is subjectivity.

    The really good news, is we live with our own subjectivity, and what we experience is directly a result of it. The slightly bad news is that we may be completely deluding ourselves, but remain happy.

    Go figure.:)

    All this takes me back to the infamous statement on art:

    "I'm no art expert, but I know what I like."

    Whatever you like, pay for it and be happy, and leave the science of it all to those with time on their hands.:)
     

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