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Why Islam is not respected

Discussion in 'The OT' started by n8dagr8, Jun 11, 2005.

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  1. Bogy

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    As I suspected, there are no conservatives who have the guts or integrity to disavow this kind of hate. Something that George W. Bush, for all my disagreements with him, has asked Americans not to tolerate or foster. Very sad. :nono2:
     
  2. markh

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    "The Inquisition had a secular character, although the crime was heresy"

    Did anyone else find this just a little oxymoronic? On top of that the clerics got lawyers to do their dirty work for them. Richard, you may want to reconsider where you come down on this, being a conservative as you are.:)
     
  3. pjmrt

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    No, not clouded by hate, at least not at this end. If anyone's perceptions are clouded,.... well look in the mirror.
     
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    Is this the liberal mantra - when one can not back up one's position with facts, resort to name calling and cry prejudice and claim others are just being hateful or racist? Open minded and tolerance, Bogy? Funny, your posts don't reflect much open mindedness or tolerance.

    And you never did answer cj's question.
     
  5. Bogy

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    I don't have any hate. How about you?
     
  6. Bogy

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    Is it name calling and prejudice to remind you that the President of the United States has called for Americans to reject the kind of rhetoric in this thread? I am a minister. When faced with hate and racism I am required to oppose it. I cannot be tolerant of your intolerance. I cannot be open minded to condemnation and hate.

    As far as cj's question, what proof do I have? I ansered that. In the days following 9/11 the sorrow and pain felt by hundreds of millions of Muslims was well documented. However, since you won't believe it anyway, I don't have time to do your research.
     
  7. RichW

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    Well, I admire the Muslims that make our clothes (Bangladesh, Phillipines) and manufacture our memory chips and hard drives (Malaysia, Indonesia). Of course, let us not forget the ones who pump our crude oil out of the ground. They all contribute greatly to our standard of living.
     
  8. Richard King

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    More than likely (92%) Christian, not Muslims. By the way, it's one "l" in Philipines. :D
     
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    As witness the seeming oxymoron of "militant Buddhists":scratchin, in 12-step parlance, ALL major, and most minor, religions are "enablers".

    Whether there were underlying secular motivations, or they were carried out in a largely secular fashion, the Crusades and Inquisitions were "enabled" by Christianity, as were the "witch-burnings" referenced. This is not to single out Christianity. Various horrendous atrocity and unjust situation has been enabled by every major religion, usually the severity of which in direct proportion to the size and power of the respective religion.

    To be sure, Islam certainly enabled al Qaeda to launch 9/11 and their other attacks, none of which would have been possible to justify to the "martyrs" from outrage over the presense of foreign troops merely stationed on land controlled by the Saudi royal family.

    It should also be noted all this horse manure about "God Bless America" and "Christian nation", because of the dominence(the "size and power") of Christianity in the US, allows many to not give it a second thought when we invade, conquer and occupy a foreign land resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, especially if it's a nation and civilians considered to be largely not Christian. "God is on our side" is not exclusive to the US. "Gott mit uns" was a favored motto of the Nazis, as "Allah Akbar" is the knee-jerk phrase currently irritating us.

    Apologetics that past Christian offenses were not as agregious as previously reported or that Christianity may not be currently directly engaged in such activities is laughable and meaningless. Given the right circumstances, for instance a role reversal of the current paradigm of Christian dominence of global economic and military power with Islam being the lesser religion, Christianity could and most likely would "enable" acts equally as ruthless as those we decry from Islamic sources. History shows when push comes to shove, religions push and shove with all the ferocity human beings can muster, and Christians push and shove with the worst of them.
     
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    I think "Allah Akbar" was my dry cleaner back in ATL until I started getting my dress shirts back with knife slashes in the backs, and the vague aroma of cordite lingering in my suits. :shrug:
     
  11. RichW

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    There you go again. This time making fun of suicide bombers. tsk, tsk. :lol:
     
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    Sorry. I'll trying to contain my distaste.

    BTW, shouldn't it be "Homicide" bombers? "Suicide" makes it sound like the bomber was a victim, too. :( :nono: :shrug:
     
  13. markh

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    Because it's descriptive of the act. The Unabomber was a homicide bomber, he killed people. He wasn't a suicide bomber. Better lay off Fox News, until your mind clears.
     
  14. n8dagr8

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    A lot of interesting points.

    I think The uni-bomber or individuals like that are not really relevant in this conversation. Individual nut jobs that, I think we can all agree, were wrong and have no part in a civilized society.

    It has always been my understanding that the crusades were almost a defensive move more than they were an offensive. I have heard both - the west invaded the east and visa versa but understood that Muslims had actually been invading the lands in the east killing and destroying and that Pope Urban II was asked for help by the churches in the east (Syria, Egypt...).

    Most of this stuff, if I'm not mistaken was sparked by the teaching of mohammed.

    As for the other things mentioned, I'm not sure any of them have been on such a global scale (IRA...)


    still a lot more to think about....
     
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    Sorry, but who exactly is the person who ends their life by their own volition and actions a victim of???:confused:

    It would seem in nearly every circumstance, the victims could be anyone EXCEPT the person taking their own life. Or perhaps you propose the philosophy that ALL dead people are victims? Maybe that one who commits suicide is a victim of themself?

    I don't know about you, but isn't that stretching the definition of "victim" a little bit?:scratchin
     
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