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Why not have every channel in HD?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by purvis, Feb 28, 2010.

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  1. GrumpyBear

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    Atmospherics, shouldn't interfer that much, but if your setup is Marginal for reception, then yes they can. Biggest issue is with Digital reception, its an all or nothing thing. You either get a picture or you don't, the days of fuzzy signals, rolling screens, and typical things you used to see with analog are gone.

    I am having fond Marine Corps memories, of worring about D,E and F layers, and picking out freq's to transmit from our old HF95 Van, depending on layer strength and distance.
     
  2. bnborg

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    Yes, that behavior is what I am seeing. I seem to be able to count on getting PBS after midnight or so, til 5 or 6 AM.

    Sometimes I see pixelation on OTA, similar to my HD locals on 61.5. :(
     
  3. 50+

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    agreed! unreal
     
  4. RTCDude

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    So will old age.
     
  5. jkane

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    In fringe areas, this is likely to happen. Although there is not as much skip (there can be some), there is a much bigger factor that is called interference. The sun is a big noise generator. When it goes away, a weak signal has a better chance of getting through.
     
  6. Paul Secic

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    Probably 79% of Dish's customers don't have/want HD sets. It'll be 10 to 15 years before HD will be the norm. I'm guessing.
     
  7. bnborg

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    Not to mention all those florescent lights, motors, etc., which are on less after midnight. :rolleyes:
     
  8. jkane

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    Small potatoes compared to the sun! :p Those have to be near by. The sun in 93 million miles away and can out "noise" all of them. Plus, it's noise covers the entire planet, not just your block.
     
  9. mike1977

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    Once you go HD, it's hard watching something in SD because it looks awful.
     
  10. altidude

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    My wife was anti-HD to start. Now she has the guide set to show HD channels only. If it's not in HD, she doesn't want to see it. She's been like that with all the tech I've brought into the house though. She wanted nothing to do with Tivo and now she can't live without a DVR. I'm adding the DVR option to my 211 tomorrow and she's already claimed that DVR as "hers". Go figure.
     
  11. scooper

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    HD downconverts look pretty good...(source material was HD, now being displayed as SD)...
     
  12. prm1177

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    Depends on the original program content. You can either up-convert all SD channels, eat up expensive bandwidth, and deliver a image that is inferior to true HD to everyone, or else send the SD image and have the receivers up-convert at the destination. A pretty obvious choice in my estimation.
     
  13. James Long

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    Voom the programming, yes. Voom the satellite service had a bigger problem -a lack of total content. They had their channels which served as filler and they had whatever national HD was available but despite being available in SD people still wanted to watch other content ... which meant maintaining a separate subscription service for the SD content Voom was missing. They also relied too heavily on OTA digital locals ... which were barely on the air at the time. Yes, people will pay $60-$100 per month and still watch free OTA TV. Just keep the signals clear. DISH and DirecTV do that through rebroadcast of locals via satellite. Cable does that too.

    Voom satellite was a good service but without locals and key SD channels they were just an expensive add on destined to fail as soon as DISH and DirecTV got their HD acts together. Selling their satellite to DISH was the best thing that ever happened to the company.

    Voom the programming didn't grow ... and now there are so many channels out there that those channels are not needed any more.

    As for every channel in HD, DISH is working that way for Eastern Arc customers. Put HD channels in HD and drop the SD version when a HD channel is added. SD customers can use an old 119-110 dish to get SD content. Eastern Arc is the closest service you will find to HD only. No SD unless the HD version is not available.

    DISH tried selling packages with no SD channels in them but they grew too big and it became more cost effective to return to selling SD+HD packages. Too many problems with channel providers who wanted more for one or two HD channels than their entire suite of HD and SD channels. $10 more is an easier sell than some completely different package with LESS content (no SD ... repeating Voom's mistake).
     
  14. Paul Secic

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    Yup SD looks sad once you've had HD.
     
  15. scooper

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    Didn't I have to cajole you into this ? :D
     
  16. DJ Lon

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    Same here in Phoenix. We have an old TV at work in our break room with a converter & a cheap pair of rabbit ears and sometimes in the mornings we can pick up the PBS station (KUAT) from Tucson.
     

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