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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Mike Greer, Jul 15, 2010.
You're welcome and you're not alone. Wish I would have noticed the thread earlier.
Plucking numbers out of the air never makes sense. His post was interesting, tho. I'd like to see solid numbers and I'd like to see the spec sheets for the HRs. We're not gonna see either. We don't even know what the proper operating temps are for the various HRs. Well, I do remember Earl posting the proper range of temps for the 20-700s. But a long time has passed since his post and we've not seen any firm number for the temps since Earl posted the 20-700's operating range of temps years ago.
I'm very happy with my 20-700s. What I don't get is why we had to wait almost four years for a faster model.
With the move away from Seagate drives, the temp readings have fallen, so "Earl's numbers" may still work for the high side.
My old HR20-700 [Seagate] still runs @ 128º and my HR24-500 runs at 108º.
"I'd guess", just like PCs, four years later has the faster chips cheaper now.
My 20-700s with the Seagate drives, no matter the capacity, run at between 126 to 129 degrees, but the 20-700s that I have put the WD EADS 2TB drives in run at 120. My 24-500 runs at 108 too. But, how are we to know what is the proper range of temps for each model? Apparently D* considers this proprietary information too. Not many electronic devices come with so little information.
So why did we have to have slower HRs than the originals? You can buy a faster PC every six months, you never have to wait for years to find a faster PC.
I dunno. We get basically the same info I got with all the stereos I've sold over the years. The difference is if I needed more info, I could get my hands on a service manual. That told me what I needed to know.
The problem, rich584, is we've never seen a service manual for these DVRs and we never will. :nono2:
The lease price at first was $300, and then was dropped to $200. Seems like manufacturing costs was the driving factor and may have thought the speed would have been similar, which didn't turn out in the market. [gee did someone buy into the chip maker's "cheaper but the same" pitch?]
My 20-700 runs seems to run high also, I'll open the cabinet door it sets in from time to time. Thankfully, it hasn't escaped.
So true. Sadly.
They may have "thought" the speed would be similar, but don't their engineers "know" pretty quickly when the performance drops off?
And wouldn't a company that was aware that they were leasing inferior (to the 20-700 and now the 24s) products do something that wouldn't take in the neighborhood of four years to correct the problem (which isn't really that huge a problem when you think about it. I would have been satisfied with the 21-700s if I had never seen a 20-700.)?
But, in the end, it's still all about the money, isn't it? Performance be damned, if the customer will buy it someone will produce and sell it.
If I remember Earl's post about the 20-700s temp range correctly, it was 126-129. I'm reasonably sure you can exceed that 129 figure without doing any damage. I wouldn't worry unless you're exceeding 135 degrees over a long period of time.
Spec sheets. Nope.
But then....we have pages and pages of First Looks on every HD DVR to date...
"Damn bean counters"
As I've posted here several/many times, my HR21-200 simply wasn't that slow. I had it next to my HR20-700 on the same TV, so I'd be used to one and then change over to the other. Remote inputs needed to be slightly slowed down for the 21 and slightly sped up for the 20. I'd see a longer pause in paging through the guide too, but no where near what Doug's test shows for the HR23.
"And then" there always seems to be the idea that the software folks can overcome problems with the hardware.
FWIW the test software on my HR20 is almost too fast right now. Paging through the guide can end up with double pages if I'm not very careful.
This same software on "the snails" wouldn't do this, would be my guess. Will it resolve all their problems? Maybe not, but I'd guess it won't hurt them either.
Posted the same observations before in other threads...but some folks simply don't want to accept it, no matter how many people say it, or how many times.
Ergo your previous observation that a few know what we see better than what we all do...time to get them all off your lawn.
OK .. wait a cotton picking minute here .. The HR20-700 came out August 16, 2006. We're not even at the 4 year mark of the introduction of the first HR2x, so to characterize it as taking in the neighborhood of 4 years to "correct the problem" is being disingenuous.
The first HR21 First Look was in February of 2008, so let's assume (I didn't look) that the distribution channel was filling up with HR21s by May 2008 .. That is just over 2 years back. So while I can appreciate your idea, you've doubled the time frame to make it look worse than it really is.
OK, but first you'll need to tell me what's the difference between a cotton picking minute and a New York minute, or for that matter how do each compare to my watch?
That would be the time to move on....
a cotton picking minute: slow
New York minute: fast
last minute: short
Hope this helps.