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Why was simultaneous SD-HD output stopped?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by wipeout, May 8, 2012.

  1. moghedien

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    And the question is why? Why spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on additional TVs, IR extenders, and cabling when you can only watch the one program at a time? Can't people watch the same program in the same room anymore? Think of all the electricity that could be saved if these people would just pare down their TV collection...
     
  2. hamltnh

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    There have been a number of posts on this forum across a number of threads from DirecTV apologists insisting that the receivers were never inteneded for simultaneous display of HD and SD and using the receiver in that way is not "authorized", "never-intended", "not-designed", etc. I would like to see in writing where DirecTV has ever made a statement to that effect or that doing so is a violation of DirecTV's cumstomer agreement.
     
  3. Laxguy

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    Not gonna happen. And there're big differences among the terms you used. "Not designed for" is a far cry from "against TOS".
     
  4. hamltnh

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    OK--so I'd like to see where simultaneous use of outputs is against the "TOS"--I don't think it was in the past or is in the present.
     
  5. Laxguy

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    I don't either. Nor do I recall anyone maintaining that. Perhaps you can link to the posts that do??
     
  6. jes

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    While that's a fair question, as is: Why do people need to watch TV on mobile devices?... to be realistic, if I have 3 large, modern color TVs on, they are using less electricity than the 19" B&W console that was the only TV in the house when I was a kid. :p I would even go out on a limb and say the modern LCD/LED flat panels draw less current while on, than old color CRT TVs use in standby mode (when off, but plugged in).

    But that's not the point of this thread, regardless if there are simultaneous TVs on, it's why the simultaneous outputs are sabotaged or trashed by the big ugly warning box that covers 2/3 of the picture... :confused:
     
  7. sunking

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    It's very simple. Directv makes money off of people with multiple receivers. While not against the TOS, Directv likes to make money and were given a golden opportunity to close a loophole. Undoubtedly this has driven more than a few customers to pay an exorbitant amount for a 2+ year old 'refurbished' receiver from them and then have the pleasure of being billed each month for it.
     
  8. Rickt1962

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    BUMP ^^^^

    I had a thought ! Has anyone tried to do this ? Use a HDMI splitter to HDMI-AV converter to RF Modulator ?

    I have the HDMI splitter and Modulator but dont have a HDMI to AV converter. If know one chimes in I guess I will go buy one
     
  9. joed32

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  10. onearweiner

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    So you have hdmi out to an hd tv while simultaneously having component out to the converter? Do you see the guide with the composite out of the converter? Are there any draw backs or other side effects?
     
  11. dishrich

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    YES - if you go to watch any channels that now have HDCP on them (like HBO & Cinemax) & you do NOT have the HDTV turned on & switched to that said HDMI input, all you get is a black screen with a "connect an HDMI cable" message on it. :mad: :eek2:

    Know this VERY well, as I am having this very issue with a client that I had been running 2 HD-DVR's into their main TV on HDMI, with 4 others connected to both receivers w/a 4-way component dist amp on each DVR. I'm fixing their problem now by simply eliminating the HDMI connections entirely, & running ALL the TV's on component - however, if the "analog output loophole" is ever enacted, then this whole setup will be SOL... :(
     
  12. joed32

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    Yes you see the guide on the SD set in SD and on the HD set in HD from your HDMI cable. I'm using 5 of them.
     
  13. dishrich

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    EVEN on HBO, Cinemax???
     
  14. onearweiner

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    What about the aspect ratio. If I am on an hd channel will I expect to see 16X9 out of the converter, like maybe at 480i ?
     
  15. moghedien

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    The converter doesn't change the aspect ratio. I have the converter between the Directv receiver and a DVD recorder, and all it seems to do is downres the video to 480i and allow me to see the Directv menus without having to change to SD resolution to read them.
     
  16. onearweiner

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    Sounds like this is the answer for me for the time being. The cost is equivelent to six/seven months for another receiver that I do not need or want.

    Thanks!
     
  17. dishrich

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    Well yes actually it does...it's taking a 16/9 widscreen picture, & "squeezing it" into a 4/3 picture. So since it does do this, it is actually changing it; it does make people look taller/skinnier on the SD output. Some people might be put off by this...

    And you ARE still going to have the problem with any HDCP protected channels anyway you slice it...
     
  18. joed32

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    Yes.
     
  19. joed32

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    I just checked and I receive all of the channels going into the composite feeds in Pillar Box. I do have Pillar Box selected in the Directv menu because I prefer to see 480i that way. Didn't check to see what would happen if I selected full screen but I suspect it might be stretched. On an HD channel through HDMI the ratio is 16 x 9 through composite it is pillarboxed 4 x 3 (on the same TV). Hope that answers your question. All the converter does is fool the Directv box into thinking it is outputting a component signal to an HD TV instead of composite to an SD TV so that you get no nag screens. Menus are fine.
     
  20. joed32

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    It looks like perfect 4 x 3 ratio on all of my sets nobody looks taller at all. Are you using one of these or is it just conjecture? I use them for video recording and I do get 16 x 9 on my recordings. I'm not selling these things, someone asked if they work and to me they do. If you say they don't that is your opinion and I'm not asking you to change your mind. Maybe someone else who uses them can chime in with some opinions.
     

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