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Will the 110° W satellite ever be used again by DirecTV in the continental United States?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Pink Jazz, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Pink Jazz

    Pink Jazz Mentor

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    Currently, in the continental United States, there are no channels being broadcasted from the 110° W satellite. DirecTV-5 at 110° W is currently being used to broadcast channels for the Puerto Rico market. However, DirecTV continues to produce LNBs supporting the 110° W satellite, despite there being no channels on that satellite for the continental United States.

    So, does anyone think we will ever see new channels on the 110° W satellite in the continental United States again? Perhaps DirecTV-15 will be at 110° W and will broadcast new HD channels. However, I am not sure if the 110° W LNB on existing 5-LNB dishes is capable of picking up MPEG-4 signals.
     
  2. HoTat2

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    Sincerely doubt it;

    DIRECTV is only licensed for three 24 MHz Ku band transponders there, and D5 is currently carrying 26 SD channels for PR on them. So there's no more room left for much anything else.

    Plus 110 Ku serves a critical role for PR in that guide and other system control information for the island is also transmitted from tp. 28 (tp. 8 after down conversion) since PR subs. cannot receive the 101 satellites very well from their location.

    And I also guess starting up a new production line of special LNBFs which excludes 101 and 119 just for PR would cost a lot more than simply using the currently produced SL-5s that are regularly installed here, and just not using the integrated 101 and 119 LNBFs on them much as we (who have SL-5s) no longer use 110.
     
  3. studechip

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    If they have problems receiving signals from 101, how would 110 be any easier? It's further west and lower on the horizon.
     
  4. Herdfan

    Herdfan DIRECTV A-Team

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    The dishes don't have to be pointed as high. Florida has more issues with rain fade than other parts of the country since the dish look angle is so high.
     
  5. peds48

    peds48 DIRECTV A-Team DBSTalk Club

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    Why would the angle matter?
     
  6. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    indirectly; higher angle just telling you the sat's location and a shorter distance to it
     
  7. carl6

    carl6 Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I would think the higher the angle, the less opportunity for any kind of fade. Less atmosphere for the signal to go through, fewer chances for storm fronts, etc. For people in the eastern half of the U.S., 110 is lower, and the signal is going through much more atmosphere, than 101. I'm on the west coast, and 110 is actually slightly higher in the sky than 101.
     
  8. peds48

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    so less fade?
     
  9. damondlt

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    No way, I would say more, since your dish would be acting like a rain catcher while looking more directly through more of the high cloud tops.
    We had a Dish 1000.4 with a 42 Degree elevation and it was by far worse in heavy ran and snow then our Slimline with its 34 degree elevation
     
  10. HoTat2

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    From what I can tell is that unlike the birds at 101, D5's (or Tempo 1) CONUS beam has a lobe which extends out from the U.S. mainland to cover Puerto Rico and near surrounding territories of the northern Caribbean.
     
  11. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    I agree with this statement!
     
  12. ThomasM

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    You would think that since the 110 isn't used to transmit anything to the Continental US they would modify the software so that satellite definitions that include the 110 (Slimline 5, Phase III, etc.) wouldn't bother checking the signals from it to pass the boot up sequence.
     
  13. peds48

    peds48 DIRECTV A-Team DBSTalk Club

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    and to pass IV. I have and a few installs where a tree would block the 110. DirecTV lost a few customers there for no reason.
     
  14. P Smith

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    statistically speaking, but it would depend on weather (clouds, humidity, wind, etc)
     
  15. peds48

    peds48 DIRECTV A-Team DBSTalk Club

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    so signal wise, I am better of in FL or Vermont
     
  16. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I would say yes: less distance to sat, water in an air would make difference against your location (again , weather is estimating statistically)

    but, not tell me different numbers from the locations for one sat/tpn - to get valid compare, you'll need move your dish and the switch, the cables and a receiver to other location
     
  17. Herdfan

    Herdfan DIRECTV A-Team

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    Here is a simple example. Go outside during a hard rain and look at the house across the street. You can see it pretty well. Now look up though the rain to the top of a nearby tree. Which is easier to see? Same principle.
     
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  18. damondlt

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    Really?? When you are 22,000 miles up you honestly think it makes any difference in signal From Vermont VS Florida. !rolling
    Florida also is a much lower state in elevation then Vermont too, so maybe Vermont is closer! :rolling:
     
  19. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    lol as wish, but mother Nature will kick your a$$ anyway :D
     
  20. HoTat2

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    Like I said, I really think its just a case of D5 having a lobe on its CONUS beam which extends out SE from the US east coast to cover PR and the nearby surrounding territories of other Caribbean countries.

    Whereas the 101 satellites' national beams do not have such an extension of their footprint

    And similar to Florida, since PR and the other areas are that much closer to the equator, 110w is still relatively high in the western horizon and easy for their subscribers' dishes to see even though D5 is further away west than the birds at 101.
     

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