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Will The CW have any effect on the Superstation Package??

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by LuckyJW, Jan 25, 2006.

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  1. Geronimo

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    One more time. SHVERA is explicit that a superstation CAN be affilaited with a network so long as the network did not meet certain requirements on January 1, 1995. CW and WB did not exist on that date so the affilaition is fine.

    Ther is a difference between distant nets and superstations. If a provider wants to provide a distant net feed they will have to follow those procedures but there is no such thing as following both. they are separate and distinct types of carriage.
     
  2. Greg Bimson

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    I'll try this slowly...
    Correct. Which means that WPIX, WGN, KTLA and KWGN are all still superstations. I agree 100 percent with this.
    Where? There are definitions of both "superstations" and "network stations". Neither is exclusionary. And what if WPIX, WGN, KTLA and KWGN now meet both standards? And what if the CW network decides to inform Dish Network that these four stations, besides being superstations, are also network stations?

    I am playing devil's advocate here. I don't recall anything in the law that disallows a given station to be both a network station and a superstation.
     
  3. Geronimo

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    That is correct. The problem is what you are doing with it. Cariage asa superstation is discussed in one section. Carriage asa distant net in another. The two sets of rules are not connected ina nyway---you are simply asserting that both would apply.

    SHVERA has rules for being a superstation. One of those rules deals with network affilaition. A superstation CANNOT Be a network affiliate if that network met certain requiremetns by January 1 , 1995. But it is perfectly acceptable for it to be a network affiliate if the network did NOT meet those requirements on that date. In this case it does not meet them. So you are right it can be both. But that means it can be retransmitted AS A SUPERSTATION under those rules.

    Theoretically there could also be a CW distant net and there is a separate set of rules to allow that type of carriage. There is never a requirement to fill both sets of rules to be carried as a superstation---or as distant net for that matter. There is absolutely nothing in SHVERA that supports that.

    It really is that simple. But some of you are bound and determined to kill off the superstations. At this point let's wait till September to see who is right.
     
  4. Greg Bimson

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    Nevermind, Geronimo. I agree that there are two different sections: one for superstations, one for network stations. I believe that WPIX et al would be tagged with both. According to what I have below, the stations would be tagged with both.

    Suprisingly enough, I found what I was looking for. Here is the exception:
    Notice the exception of a network station being redistributed outside of its home market. The three rules are the rules that creates a superstation. Therefore, if a station is a superstation, the distant network rules do not apply.

    This is old section 119(a)(5)(E). It may have changed numbers with the inclusion of the SHVERA.

    In other words, the superstations are unaffected.
     
  5. Geronimo

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    and I apologize if I took it too seriously.
     
  6. Greg Bimson

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    Hey, I told you I had to find whether or not there was exclusionary language. I couldn't find it because "superstation" was nowhere in the exclusionary language. But when I looked at "exception", man did that do the trick! :)
     
  7. derwin0

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    nope, Expressvuy carries the local WTBS feed.
     
  8. stonecold

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    I happen to get lucky and there will not be a war in Tampa WTOG is cbs owned and will carry the new cw network.

    On a side note WTOG was really the first superstation and pretty much was the most profitable indie station in the US and really one of the first sucessful super stations

    here is a clip from wiki pedia.

    During the 1970s and 1980s, WTOG was seen on many cable systems in central and southwestern Florida. In the 1980s, WTOG also had a network of low-powered repeaters, with repeaters in Sebring, Arcadia (in the Ft. Myers market), Ocala (Ocala / Gainesville market) and Okeechobee (West Palm Beach market). They billed themselves as "Florida's Super Station", which "Covered Florida Like The Sun". There was also some consideration to put WTOG on cable in Tallahassee, but that never came to fruition.

    WTOG was one of the most profitable independent television stations in the country. In fact, during the late 1970's, a man named Ted Turner called the station to ask how it was that WTOG could be so profitable. It is believed that WTBS in Atlanta was modeled after WTOG in St. Petersburg.
     
  9. catnap1972

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    I thought this wasn't going to go into effect until fall...have WWOR on now and they've already redone the on-screen bug without the "upn" logo (it's just a "9" in a box now). So far the promos and bumpers still have the "upn" but those will probably be gone soon as well.
     
  10. Geronimo

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    It does not take effect till fall. Fox which owns WWOR is upset. This is ort of retaliation. And you can se why they do not choose to have their identity tied to the network anymore.
     
  11. Paul Secic

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    UPN & WB are changing the name of the network, according to Sam Rubin. Too corny they said. Stay tuned!
     
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