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Will you drop D* over the "Brrrrrip" issue?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by wilbur_the_goose, Mar 16, 2009.

Will you drop D* because of the brrrrrip issue?

  1. No - I'm OK with it or don't care

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  2. Yes, if they don't fix it by April 1

    91.5%
  3. Yes, if they don't fix it by June

    3.4%
  4. Yes, if they don't fix it by Sept 1

    5.1%
  1. DodgerKing

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    I watch MLBNet HD more than any other channel (hours at a time every day) and have never had an issue.
     
  2. DodgerKing

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    Must be your local FOX. Just watched Monday's House last night and had no brrrrip issues.
     
  3. Tom Robertson

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    My listening experience was way too short to be definitive. Hence my question as to when it happened most often. :)

    I'm not sure I can leave MLB in the background, but I'll give it a try...

    Cheers,
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  4. Mike Bertelson

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    More like a sharp version of a needle coming off a record.

    Mike
     
  5. DodgerKing

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    Not according to the poll and the replies.
     
  6. DodgerKing

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    It is? The posts say otherwise as does my experience.
     
  7. Mike Bertelson

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    Not to put words in Ken's posts but I think he's saying that to the extent that it happens, it is related to DirecTV's MPEG decoding.

    I could be wrong though...wouldn't be the first time...:grin:

    Mike
     
  8. pdxBeav

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    I've heard this on a few channels, but last night I also heard it on History HD twice during a five minute span.

    I will be switching to FiOS later this year so I don't really care how this issue gets resolved.
     
  9. Ken S

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    Yes, I think it is limited to certain channels. I think the problem is what VOS has been writing about. The channel is originally broadcast in MPEG2 format and from time to time it has a signal glitch of some sort...if you are watching it in MPEG2 (cable/OTA) you may or may not see the glitch. When DirecTV gets the signal and then runs it through their MPEG4 conversion process that glitch causes either a compression error or a reset that causes the rather distinctive brrriiiiip.
     
  10. Ken S

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    Well, I get the sound through a Denon, a Bose and three different TVs.
     
  11. Ken S

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    Mike,

    There are others with much more expertise than me...and that's what they're saying.
     
  12. Ken S

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    I will try over the next couple of days to capture one in the live buffer and upload it.
     
  13. jasonblair

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    Ken, I just think you are rubbing people the wrong way by telling them that they have a problem, whether or not they notice or not. You can't KNOW that EVERYONE has this problem. I don't doubt that it is widespread, but widespread does not equal universal.
     
  14. DodgerKing

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    It could be individual receivers, setups, and sound systems. I have a HR20, use fiber optic for audio to my AV receiver, and use component cable for video to the TV. Maybe those using HDMI for both audio and video are the ones with the issue? :whatdidid
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    I can't say who I've gotten my information from, but it was directly from DirecTV [engineering, not CSRs]
    "The problem" isn't in "our systems", but is in the link from the provider(s) through the MPEG-4 encoding "chain".
    If you happen to view/record "a channel" that has it happening, everybody will see the same thing, since it's in the feed.
    "The cause" is a very long story.
    I'm not going to repost everything I have, but simply looking for the Brrripp threads here will show what.
    It seems to be [or has been] more noticeable with some local HD, but there are National channels [now] that have it too.
    If you don't happen to be watching a show that has it, then you'll never know [pure and simple].

    I haven't voted since the poll choices don't "fit".

    Is it a problem? for me yes.
    Is it worth "dumping DirecTV"? Not for me since Dish would be my only other option and they too have the problem, with the MPEG-4 encoders.
     
  16. veryoldschool

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    "Blaming" your system isn't it.
    I had a "team" out here to verify my system and to demonstrate "the problem". We went through all the options, HDMI, optical to AV receiver, etc., and none of them were "the cause", which was when they handed me the phone with the engineer from DirecTv on the other end.
     
  17. Mike Bertelson

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    I guess the question is whether or not it can be fixed with firmware?

    Is it something the broadcaster has to do on their end?

    Is it a combination of the two?

    That fact that Dish and DirecTV both have the problem, indicates, to me at least, that it has to start with the broadcasters but that's just a guess. :)

    Mike
     
  18. veryoldschool

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    [Everybody please read my other posts/threads about this]

    "It starts" with some bad "bits" from the broadcaster, which "pass through" their MPEG-2 feeds with little notice [by viewers]. The MPEG-4 transcoder can "puke" with these bad/missing "bits". The encoders uses the audio to lock/sync the MPEG-4 video. When it "breaks lock", it pukes, resets, and we get either the audio sound or video breakups [or both], until the encoder "regroups".
     
  19. adamson

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    This issue is minor to my past experience with a HR20-700. Although it is really becoming a major one with my HR22-100. There are millions of us subs out there and billions of dollars Directv collects yearly and I find it puzzling they cannot get this issue corrected. I voted until June 1st which is more than reasonable considering the time that has gone by already and one could only hope they are aggressively working on this. For those who accept the problem at hand and do nothing is wrong! Sorry but cost has become the issue and I want the best there is for my money and the way things are now with Directv they are not the best. I yearn for the good ol days Directv was stable all the way around, they are running out of chances with me personally.
     
  20. RunnerFL

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    Considering I'm not experiencing the issue, regardless of you thinking that I am, I have no way of knowing the cause.
     

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