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Working eSata Setups:

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by houskamp, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. Dec 13, 2008 #741 of 2284
    desulliv

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    I had this setup for about two weeks, working fine. Had about 67% unused space. I disconnected and reconnected to a FA 750 to watch some stuff I had recorded on that one. I have successfully switched between two FA 750 before. When I hooked back up to the FA-X 1.5 TB, I got a message that there was a problem with the files on the hard drive. Two options were available: try to recover the files--might take a few hours or reformat the drive and lose all recordings--takes about a minute. I chose to try to recover the files--have a lot of recordings on there. I'm going to bed. I'll post the results of the scan (now at 2%, after 15 minutes), in the morning
     
  2. Dec 13, 2008 #742 of 2284
    pjazz

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    I bought a 1 TB MyBook Studio edtion on ebay before I checked if it was compatible with my HR-20 100 . Needless to say it didn't work. I got fustrated and removed the HD from it's inclosure. It's a WD10EACS Greenpower drive.

    I opened up my HR-20, because I don't have a warrenty, and installed the drive.
    It booted right up and formatted. So far I am very happy with it. Hopefully I won't fill it up as fast as my FP750.:)
     
  3. Dec 13, 2008 #743 of 2284
    desulliv

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    After more than six hours the scan of the FA-X 1.5 TB was complete and the same message about failed files appeared. I tried rebooting; got same message. I gave up and chose the reformat option. About one minute and a reboot later, I'm up and running minus everything I had recorded before. Back to 98% available.
     
  4. Dec 14, 2008 #744 of 2284
    Rich

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    Same thing happened to me with a 21-700 with a Cav 750 hooked up to it. Lost all the recordings and I tried to recover the programming twice and had no luck.

    Just glad the NR only affected one of my eSATAs and left the other five alone. Weird.

    Rich
     
  5. Dec 14, 2008 #745 of 2284
    Richierich

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    This is why I run RAID 1 with my External Drive Enclosure. I just can't stand to lose all of my recordings just because of drive failure. If one of my drives fail I can replace it.

    If mu DVR fails then I am in Trouble because I can't get another one and then hook up my External Drive and have it read those recordings so I can view them.

    Directv needs to fix this problem!!!
     
  6. Dec 17, 2008 #746 of 2284
    coldasice

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    Anyone lose all the data after a ce release? this is twice now for me. I wish I knew about your raid mirroring trick. I am a car guy and new to this world but had I known I would definitely done it that way for the backup. Thats worth a ton to me.

    I lost 75% full during last ce update and last nights ce update caused it to lose it again and may have lost the drive itself too. I am back on the internal right now due to some crazy "blue screen" saying the drive is being fixed will take hours then reboots like power failure and then goes back to blue screen fixing drive. endless loop so far so I rebooted to internal so it would let me see tv.

    By the way. I had my 1TB drive almost fully clogged (like 8% remaining) and it was not slowing the menu at all or slow to the remote commands that was the first time.. last night i think it was like 20% remaining that was lost.
     
  7. Dec 18, 2008 #747 of 2284
    Rich

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    Raid mirroring isn't difficult. Both my 2TB eSATAs are in the "big" mode and give me full 2TB capacity (not that the HR will allow me to reach that capacity, but it is there). With the turn of a small screwdriver I could turn both into RAID 1 mode which would be two 1TB hard drives "mirroring" each other. You can purchase RAID 1 eSATAs from weaknees.com that will work with all the HRs. Cost about $600, I think, or a little less.

    Rich
     
  8. Dec 18, 2008 #748 of 2284
    Richierich

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    There is a post here somewhere if I can find it about a guy who lost all of his recordings and after 3 or 4 tries he got them back so maybe that would work for you, I don't know but I will look for that post and see if I can find it.
     
  9. Dec 18, 2008 #749 of 2284
    Rich

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    I tried twice and got nothing. Minor annoyance.

    Rich
     
  10. Dec 22, 2008 #750 of 2284
    wildbillyboygolf

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    This unit is still working fine - have confirmed it has a WD10EACS hard drive.
     
  11. Dec 23, 2008 #751 of 2284
    coldasice

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    richierich
    perhaps a stupid question but here goes. If RAID1 mirrors the drive creating a backup I am confused on one thing. If what has happened to me twice now happens again and I lose all my recordings when the CE is downloaded, what is to stop the 2nd drive from mirroring the now blank first drive. leaving me with 2 empty drives.

    when I turn on the tv after a download all I see is no programs in memory and 100% remaining. I then look to the data screen to see sure enough a CE had downloaded the night before. In the case of the last one I was watching it live when the download started and then it just jumped to the blue screen of death.

    I have not been given the choice to hang onto the damaged drive (where I would assume the safe mirrored drive is ok). Instead I am left with reformatted blank drive which as I stated above would seem to me would reformat the mirror drive and blank it as well. any info is appreciated as I am eager to find a solution to this issue.
    thanks,
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  12. Dec 23, 2008 #752 of 2284
    Rich

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    Been wondering about that too. Logically the whole point of RAID 1 is to save mirrored programming, but the technology was originally meant for PCs and I still wonder how that translates to DVRs.

    Rich
     
  13. Dec 23, 2008 #753 of 2284
    Richierich

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    First of all, I sent you a PM on how to possibly Recover Lost Recordings that are not really lost but just can't be seen. Rebooting into the internal drive and then back into the external drive can sometimes retrieve the indexing necessary to see the recordings.

    If that does not work and your DVR did indeed experience a Full Reformat then you are screwed and you have to start all over. However, if the recordings are on the second drive, DRIVE 1, which they should still be, you could remove DRIVE 1 and place it into DRIVE 0, place a NEW DRIVE into DRIVE 1, do the mirroring process and you could be back in business.

    I don't think it truly did a reformat because even the original poster said it transpired too fast so he didn't believe it did a real reformat. So he faked it out by booting into the internal drive with the external turned off which happened successfully. He could view the recordings on the internal drive.

    Then he did a Graceful Shutdown and then turned the eSATA External Drive on, let it fully spin up and then Powered On the DVR which then corrected itself and successfully recognized the External Drive along with the recordings which were there all along.
     
  14. Dec 23, 2008 #754 of 2284
    oenophile

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    I have the Cavalry CADA CADA002SA2-B 2TB and am wondering if anyone has succesfully replaced the internal fan. I bought it in June, its still working great, but over the last week, the internal fan has gotten loud (very). (It doesn't seem to be the drives that are loud, just the fan.) I'm working with customer support but am sorely tempted to just open it up and replace it with the quietest fan I can find.

    Anyone tried it? any other thoughts welcome. Thanks.
     
  15. Dec 24, 2008 #755 of 2284
    coldasice

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    I dont know about the original posters situation and why he was able to recover his data but for me no such luck. I followed every method I ever read lurking here for the last many years including yours. No luck, it just switches between the internal drive and the external with no restoration of my data. believe me I was hoping each and every time that it would be there but for whatever reason my situation was different than his. I even used the laptop to access the drive and deleted hidden partitions which finally got rid of the blue screen of death and the endless loop between the blue screen and it rebooting which went on indefinitely as the "damage" to the drive was not able to be repaired by the dvr. Evidently deleting the partitions(leaving the hugest one which I thought was my recordings) was the "fix" it needed to get it to re-format and phisically work again. But even after the "fix" and before the re-format I was unable to get the data back via switching the boot to internal and then back to external.
    at this point I am just happy to have my eSata back as I clogged up the internal in the few days since it happened.

    you said"If that does not work and your DVR did indeed experience a Full Reformat then you are screwed and you have to start all over. "

    is it safe to assume then that what I had feared about the RAID setup is in fact true? meaning if the CE or whatever wipes out the memory on the first drive the mirrored drive will just be a mirrored copy of the newly wiped first drive. and not the backup of the first drive prior to the CE or whatever else may be causing it to wipe out the recordings and re-format the drive?

    thanks for your time and patience helping me to understand this RAID system and how it functions I really appreciate it.
     
  16. Dec 24, 2008 #756 of 2284
    oenophile

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    Yes. This is correct. The RAID 1 simply mirrors drives. Each drive will be identical. The RAID setup only helps you with *physical errors or defects* in one of the drives. If D*'s software messes up the software (or removes taped shows, etc.), the same happens to both drives instantaneously. It isn't a defect in the RAID, its a defect in D*'s software.
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  17. Dec 24, 2008 #757 of 2284
    Rich

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    I can't even find a telephone number for Cavalry support anymore. I keep getting the company that bought them out and the only way to get any tech support is by email. Are you using email or do you have a working number?

    I've replaced many fans in TiVos and I can't imagine it being much different in the Cavs. I have two of them and had to drill two holes in one of my family room's wall to place the 2TB Cavs in our great room because the fans were so loud, even with the sound system on.

    Anyhow, it should be simple to replace the fans. They are just plugged in, I would think. Just like the TiVos, just like the Antec enclosures.

    Rich
     
  18. Dec 24, 2008 #758 of 2284
    Richierich

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    I would go online to Weaknees as they sell fans for DVRs or call them.
     
  19. Dec 24, 2008 #759 of 2284
    Rich

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    Ah at last a subject I know something about. I would open the enclosure up, remove the fan and write down all the info found on the motor. SOP for replacing any motor. Then I would follow RRs advice and call weaknees.com and ask them to match it. Or are they all the same? Nah, can't be. Nobody makes a generic motor that I've ever heard of. But...

    Rich
     
  20. Dec 24, 2008 #760 of 2284
    oenophile

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    Northern...
    Thanks for the responses. I sent an email to Calvary and within 10 minutes (!!!) on the 23rd, I received a response asking for my mailing address so that they could ship me a new fan. The response was very prompt. I'm so shocked at how fast they responded that I thought I would cut-and-paste the customer support email chain below. Pretty darned good for Dec. 23rd/24th if you ask me.

    Hopefully the fan they send will be quiet(er). If its not, I'll go to newegg or weaknees and buy a new one to replace it and give it a try. I will report back..

    But in the meantime....wow, a good customer experience so far...


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    From: customersupport@cavalrystorage.com [mailto:customersupport@cavalrystorage.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:11 AM
    To: ***
    Cc: customersupport@cavalrystorage.com
    Subject: RE: Problem with - Cavalry CADA CADA002SA2-B 2TB USB 2.0 / eSATA 2-bay RAID Disk Array for PC
    
    Hello,
    
    The order has been placed for the fan. You should receive it shortly.
    
    Thank you,
    
    Customer Service
    
    
    Quoting "**" <**>:
    
    > Thank you.
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    > Here is where you should ship the fan.
    > ***
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    > THANK YOU.
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: customersupport@cavalrystorage.com
    > [mailto:customersupport@cavalrystorage.com]
    > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:44 PM
    > To: **
    > Cc: customersupport@cavalrystorage.com
    > Subject: Re: Problem with - Cavalry CADA CADA002SA2-B 2TB USB 2.0 / eSATA
    > 2-bay RAID Disk Array for PC
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    > Hello,
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    > Please also provide us with a valid shipping address and phone number
    > to send the fan.
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    > Thank you,
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    > Customer Service
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    > Quoting "**" <**>:
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    >> Hi,
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    >> I bought the Cavalry CADA CADA002SA2-B 2TB USB 2.0 / eSATA 2-bay RAID Disk
    >> Array for PC on *** *, 2008.  The invoice/receipt is attached FYI.
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    >> After months of quiet operation the fan in the unit has become loud.   I
    > am
    >> worried both about the noise itself (which is so loud as to be annoying
    > and
    >> intolerable)  and about the fact that the noise may indicate an impending
    >> fan failure.  I do not believe the noise is coming from the drives in the
    >> unit because if I pick up the unit and blow air on the fan from the back
    > the
    >> noise immediately stops.  (The fan blades slow/stop when blown on, so the
    >> noise stops too.)
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    >> Can you please instruct me on what to do?  I have the drive array
    > configured
    >> in a RAID 1 configuration.  I do not wish to lose my data.
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    >> I am tech-savvy and can replace the fan in the unit with a new fan if that
    >> is an option.
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    >> I would appreciate your prompt assistance.  I know that will be difficult
    >> given the holidays, but I am very worried about my data and can't stop
    > using
    >> the unit as I do not have a replacement.
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    >> Thank you.
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