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Working eSata Setups:

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by houskamp, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. Oct 12, 2007 #101 of 2284
    Live4Soccer

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    Thanks guys for the info and recommendation...got the drive and enclosure today...hooking it up in a little bit (after I blow through The Office...) Can't wait to fill up the new drive with HD goodness! :joy:
     
  2. Oct 12, 2007 #102 of 2284
    Live4Soccer

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    Hooked up my 750gig w/ext enclosure, re-set the unit, and it fired up like a champ! The guide needs to download again so I didn't get a chance to set my season passes and recordings but other than that, "GOLD JERRY - PURE GOLD!"

    I'll tithe my 100gigs to DTV and then 650gigs of coolness! Can't wait...
     
  3. Oct 12, 2007 #103 of 2284
    jangell2

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    Ok, I've got it up and running with the new seagate now. At the same time I was replacing the UPS unit with a better one, so just about everything got unplugged. Of course I had put the HR20 into standby first.

    I first plugged the seagate into the sata cord which was already hooked up to the HR20. Then I powered it on and let it run a few moments. Then I plugged in the HR20 and it went through its startup sequence, and everything seems to be working. The List was empty as it should be, and I know the internal drive has one program on it, so it's on the external HD.

    However I'm getting some 771 messages, searching for signal, on some stations. Does starting over with a new HD do that, or did I just get unlucky and pick a time when DTV was having some issues?

    I'm so happy I didn't have to go through that sequence requiring me to hook up the drive to my PC. Thanks for the help Terravita.
     
  4. Oct 12, 2007 #104 of 2284
    jangell2

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    Well, an hour later and the 771 problem seems to have cleared up and I did nothing to fix it. It would appear the the HR20 needs a little while to reacquire all the channels after a hard drive change.
     
  5. Oct 12, 2007 #105 of 2284
    Terravita

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    I did not run into this problem. I see by your latest post, that the problem is resolved.
    I am glad I could help.
     
  6. Oct 12, 2007 #106 of 2284
    dxdenis02

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    got my esata to work.... Western-Digital 1TB (WD10EACS) with this kool enclosure to match my stereo gear.... yes looks are important to me to blend in... ICY DOCK MB559US-1SMB ...it has a black mirror finish, esata cable included... will add the hr21 when available to complete the black look
     
  7. Oct 12, 2007 #107 of 2284
    jangell2

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    I think the 771 mesages are related to removing the HR20 from power. I took the UPS that was replaced and used it for our HR20 in the MBR. So it was unplugged for a short time and I got 771s again. I would also get a blank screen and audio. I new the cabling was ok because the HR20 guide and menus always showed up.

    Now it seems to have cleared up.

    I've got about 2 hours of HD recorded and the list indicator says 99% available.
     
  8. Oct 13, 2007 #108 of 2284
    Maxfli

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    Hey,

    Can someone tell me if this enclosure would work? I found it at newegg.com for $799.

    NORCO DS-1220 3U 12-bay Hot-swap Rackmount eSATA RAID Hard Drive Storage Subsysteml

    I'd like something I could put in my AV rack and split some drives for my HR20 and others into my HTPC. Would this work by itself or are they other components / software needed to make this work?

    Thanks,
    Max
     
  9. Oct 13, 2007 #109 of 2284
    Maxfli

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  10. Oct 13, 2007 #110 of 2284
    CCarncross

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    I dont believe either will work. The 12 bay uses 4 sata connections, and the 4 bay does not even use a eSATA connection, so how would it connect to your HR20?
     
  11. Oct 14, 2007 #111 of 2284
    bslayton

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    I purchased the same setup and it hooked up easily and painlessly! We now have plenty of storage for all the food channel shows the wife is recording! :)

    One issue is that some recorded shows take about 15 seconds to start playing. After that they play just fine. Anyone else experiencing that problem?

    Thanks,
    b.
     
  12. Oct 16, 2007 #112 of 2284
    sroh

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    I bought both from Newegg and installed last week. I used the esata cable that came with the Kingwin enclosure. It worked without a hitch for several days. Then I switched over to the internal drive this weekend to watch previously recorded shows.

    When I switched back over Sunday night to the external, I started having problems. After a while, the picture would freeze, and the recorded shows would not play. A reboot would fix things for a while but it would happen again. I'm not sure whether it's the drive or the enclosure. My troubleshooting results lead me to think it was the enclosure. In any case, I didn't want to deal with it ao I am returning both to Newegg (got to love their customer service).

    I bought a FAP from Costco last night on the way home. I hooked it up using the Kingwin esata cable and it's been running smooth since. Now I just need to pick up a replacement esata cable. Any recommendations on local stores? Fry's, BB and CompUSA are no good, right? How about MicroCenter? What brands should I look for?
     
  13. Oct 17, 2007 #113 of 2284
    jbart1965

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    I am planning to get the Hitachi 1TB internal drive and perhaps the Kingwin enclosure, though I am willing to pay more for the quietest (coolest, best) one out there.

    Just wondering though: Can I place the enclosure flat on top of the HR20, or does these things have to stand upright alongside the HR20?
     
  14. Oct 17, 2007 #114 of 2284
    elixir26

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    If it's a HR20-700 with vents on the top, I would not suggest blocking it's air flow. I keep all three of my eSATA's behind and out of sight and in clear air behind the TV's. All run cool and only the RAID unit is audible.
     
  15. Oct 17, 2007 #115 of 2284
    tombet

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    The Kingwin is working fine for me. It can be either flat or sideways, though I dont think putting it right ontop the HR20 is a good idea.

    Its dead quiet, though it has an 80mm fan - pretty hefty. Like you though, I'd like to have the best enclosure I can. I couldn't find any real comparisons on cooling. If you find some, let me know. I just chose the kingwin based on quietness and the 80mm fan, but didn't find a comparison of running drive temps. (I wonder if the Antec might be cooler. They make good products - but I don't have any data to know its cooler. Its twice the price or more, but part of that is for USB support and an eSata backplane bracket - neither of which will be used with the HR20.)

    I have used Kingwin removeable drive trays for years, without any issues, but this is my first use of their enclosure. So far so good (about 5 weeks now without even one hiccup.)

    Here is a review of the Kingwin followed by the manufacturer product page.

    http://www.bigbruin.com/2007/kingwinjet_1

    http://www.kingwin.com/product_pages/jt35ebk.asp
     
  16. Oct 17, 2007 #116 of 2284
    tombet

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    Tom's Hardware did a new review of the WD 1TB, and it looks very good. (I am using a Hitachi 1TB, and am very satisfied, but the cooler temps of the WD might have made me make a different choice, had this review been out 6 weeks ago.)

    Its not as fast as the Hitachi, but should still be plenty fast enough for the HR20. A lot of the power saving features wont really come into play, since the HR20 is basically always writing to the drive. But the point that caught my eye is how much cooler the drive is under load.

    Of course, I do feel good that my Hitachi has been out for several months and has not experienced any widespread failures (its no deathstar), or complaints. It continues to also be extremely well reviewed.

    Here's the review, with a bookmark right to the temperature chart:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/11/wd_caviar_gp/page7.html#drive_surface_temperature
     
  17. Oct 17, 2007 #117 of 2284
    jondiehl

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    jbart1965

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    My HR20 has fan vents on the top. I ask because I dont have much space in my cabinet. Maybe 6 inches high, 4 inches wide in one cabinet and 8 inches high, 4 inches wide, in another cabinet. Looks like the drive and enclosure would fit based on the dimensions I see. Seems like these combos are much smaller than the HR20 iself.

    BTW, saw the WD 1TB drive at BB, but its not at my nearby store. Some people seem to think a 32 cache is best and that the WD is slower, but I guess its a small thing in the bigger picture.
     
  19. Oct 18, 2007 #119 of 2284
    tombet

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    If you read and trust the reviews, the conclusion is the Hitachi is definitely faster and the WD is definitely cooler. Now the questions for use with the HR20 are not so clear:

    1. Is the Hitachi's faster performance likely to in any way make the HR20's use better than the WD's, or is the WD "fast enough" to be everything the HR20 can take advantage of. (IMO, probably yes, the WD is fast enough. Reviews indicate its likely to be at least as fast or faster than the internal drive that the HR20 ships with.) Now in my case, once I moved to the Hitachi, my whole HR20 experience improved - everything got smoother and zippier. However, I may well have had sort of a dud internal drive. Your mileage may vary.

    2. Does the cooler temp of the WD translate into longer life ? Thats the big question. Its not so clear. Intuitively you'd think yes, but there was a big study earlier this year (using the drives in the Google data center), that surprisingly did NOT correlate drive failures to drive temperatures. (This study is easily found with an internet search.) That said, I certainly think running cool is a good thing.

    The Hitachi drive is extremely quiet - it is the quietest hard drive I have ever owned. (And I have used MANY MANY hard drives.)

    So which is better: I dunno. I like my experience so far with the Hitachi, but the WD also looks very interesting to me.

    I think you can't answer this for at least a year - with some long term experiences - and even then I think the most likely answer will be that they are both good choices.
     
  20. Oct 22, 2007 #120 of 2284
    putalydonit

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    what model on the hitachi is being used?
    thanks
     

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