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Working eSata Setups:

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by houskamp, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. Sep 9, 2010 #1421 of 2284
    hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I read that in several reviews, but there were numerous complaints that the jumper was too short, so for 4 bucks it was worth getting a well constructed six-footer. I should be set. Now it's just the typical "waiting game". I really have high hopes for this thing. If it works out, I'll consider another for the HR21-100.

    Several of us really appreciate your info on this setup. I've seen three, perhaps four confirmed orders now for the setup you recommended. Time for a commission!
     
  2. Rich

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    Yeah, you'd think someone from Thermaltake would be reading these posts. :)

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  3. TheWizz

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    I have used the Antec MX-1 for years with no real issues except when a HD fails and I end up losing all my recordings, which is a pain. I recently found the Seagate 2TB 5900RPM HDs on sale for < $100, so I bought two as I wanted to mirror them for protection. I also didn't want to lose the 100 hours or so of existing recordings on the first 2TB drive from the original Antec setup. To accomplish this I searched the forum for a good external RAID enclosure. The AMS DS3RPRO (eSATA) came highly recommended so I thought I would try it. The DS3RPRO is only tested for up to 1TB drives, but it does support striping of two 1TB drives, so the chipset does in effect support up to 2TB of data if you mirror instead of stripe. I set the DS3RPRO up as a RAID1 array and moved the HD from the Antec enclosure to the DS3RPRO. I left the 2nd drive out initially and restarted the DVR to make sure I could still see my existing recordings and indeed they were still there. I later added the second 2TB drive and it immediately started mirroring from my original drive to the new one. There are multi-colored lights for each drive to show you the status of the drive. I checked back later that evening and it was finished mirroring, so I now have 2TB of usable space (mirrored) hooked to my HR24 and don't have to worry about a single drive failure any longer. This worked so well, I bought another DS3RPRO and did the same for my HR21 that had a 1TB external drive. What I love about the DS3RPRO is that it does all the RAID "magic" within the enclosure and no OS support is needed or required, which is great for DVR drives/usage. The other big benefit is that it will work with your existing HD and you won't lose your recorded programming.
     
  4. Volman

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    Ok,this is adding more confusion.By "jumper" we have been talking about the small(2mm) jumpers used to configure the WD HDD.To enable 150 MB/s data transfer speed, place a jumper on pins 5–6.

    Now jumper is being used to speak of the esata cable to connect the enclosure to the DVR.

    I think it would be wise to stick to "jumper" for the 5,6 pins on the WD HDD,or run the risk of someone not understanding what the heck we mean.

    Thoughts?
     
  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    That's always been that way, before some car's mechanic came here :D.
     
  6. alert5

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    Disconnected power from HR23-700, powered up BlacX with 2TB EVDS with provided estata cable connected to HR23. There is no noticable noise coming from the HD; in fact I couldn't even hear it spin up. No jumpers installed.

    Powered up the HR23 and only saw a brief message about formatting external storage. After the sucessful HR23 restart process, I checked the playlist. It was empty and indicated 100% available. My ethernet/LAN settings had reset to a dynamic IP. I changed this back to my original static IP and the playlist immediately populated with the recordings from my other MRV enabled HR23, while still showing 100% local storage available.

    My favorites channel listing was replaced by all channels, so I guess that info was also stored on the internal drive.

    To test available storage on the empty external drive, I set up the HR23 to record 5 one hour HD shows on various channels. After the first recording, the playlist indicated 99% available. This is the same as you would see using the internal 500GB drive, which is advertised to store up to 100 hours of HD.

    With the BlacX/WD EVDS, the available storage counter went like this:

    After the first hour of HD recorded 99% was available
    After the second HD recording 99% was available
    After the third 99% available
    After the fourth 99% available
    After the fifth 99% available! Hmmm...is the algorithm that calculates available storage working with this 2TB drive?

    I recorded another one hour HD show and the available space dropped to 98%, so this is good indicator that I now have the capability to record 400 hours of HD...just in time for the new Fall season!

    Many thanks to "rich584" for describing this dock and hard drive combination success story.
     
  7. Rich

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    You're welcome. The reason you only saw 99% for so long is the size of the new HDD. Any recording made on an empty HDD will usually show up as 99% free, you have to use more space to get it down to 98% and lower. As you did. Glad it's working. (Phew, really glad! I dread the first failure.)

    Rich
     
  8. Rich

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    I gave this some thought. That's a good point, Fred. I can see where folks would get confused. Looking at the eSATA to eSATA cable and calling it a jumper is normal for someone with an electrical background. As is calling the jumper blocks jumpers. I usually do make a point to call the eSATA cable an eSATA to eSATA jumper cable at least once in a post.

    I will try to be clearer in the future. Usually the context of the post would point out the difference in the two jumpers, but I can see how a person just getting started would get confused.

    Rich
     
  9. alert5

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    One other minor point; my preferred 30 second skip reverted to 30 second slip.

    The disk has been running now for about 24 hours. The top is warm to the touch but not uncomfortably. The internal temp of the HR23 is showing 77 degrees F. It looks like ambient cooling will be OK for the dock/WD EVDS.

    I like the BlacX blue LED and red blinker showing activity.

    Thanks again
     
  10. Volman

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    Yep,I just thought that there was a lot of confusion about the HDD jumper/what it actually is/whether to use one,etc.

    Fred
     
  11. P Smith

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    Really, using the word 'jumper cable' is not applicable to eSATA enclosure; it must be permanently attached to both sides to perform properly.

    Not temporary as the other jumper cable used elsewhere.
     
  12. Rich

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    Always happens when you change HDDs.

    When you use an external drive with the 21 series HRs, the temp always defaults to 77 degrees. You'd have to quickly change back to the internal drive to see what the actual temp is for the HR.

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  13. Rich

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    We probably should call the HDD jumpers "jumper blocks". That's more in line with what they are.

    Rich
     
  14. Rich

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    Logic seems to escape you again. :)

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  15. rakstr

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    OR we could use the real names like "shorting blocks" and eSata type ?? cables.

    http://www.altex.com/2-Pin-Mini-Shorting-Block-2PSB-P140832.aspx
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10226&cs_id=1022603&p_id=5570&seq=1&format=2
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10226&cs_id=1022603&p_id=3750&seq=1&format=2


    I just installed another one of these on an HR21-700 without issue.

    http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10315&cs_id=1031502&p_id=5330&seq=1&format=2
     
  16. Rich

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    That docking station looks interesting. Give it a month or so and let us know how it's working.

    Calling them "shorting blocks" would probably add to the confusion. I kinda like "jumper blocks".

    I usually take the time to type out "eSATA to eSATA" cable or jumper cable when I post. There used to be a lot of confusion about them. Some worked, some didn't. That seems to be resolved now.

    Rich
     
  17. rakstr

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    How in Heck is using the proper name for something confusing? Use of made up names and anecdotal information as fact is the cause of confusion.

    Also, I posted about this docking station months ago.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2478769#post2478769
     
  18. dminches

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  19. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I think same about your. :D
     
  20. Rich

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    A lot of descriptions are wrong. The MX-1s have/had the wrong description too. Happens.

    Rich
     

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