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Would Dish Network Really Consider Dropping ESPN?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by LazhilUT, Sep 5, 2013.

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  1. Sep 21, 2013 #81 of 209
    WebTraveler

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    You can bet channel placement is part of all of this. But as a practical matter do not expect ESPN to give on this. ESPN was early to the game and its not backing out.

    Under your scenario WHY should I get Nickolodean, Fox News, Comedy, etc.? I don't watch that stuff, but I need to pay for this crap.
     
  2. Sep 21, 2013 #82 of 209
    Paul Secic

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    I wouldn't miss anything. I really don't watch any of those channels.
     
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  3. Sep 21, 2013 #83 of 209
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    Again, as noted above, those are pennies. A small fraction of one percent of the total monthly bill, while ESPN alone is about 10% or more. If ESPN were reasonably priced at .50 or maybe even $1.00, no one would care. When it's somewhere between $5.00 and $10.00, it matters a lot.
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    Still missing the point. IF everything was separated (the only "fair" way to do it) then ESPN would still find subscribers willing to pay its price moreso than those niche channels that will have to increase from their "pennies" to be viable.

    You don't want to pay for ESPN... I don't want to pay for 20 other channels that you like... it's a wash. We all agreed to this marketing method YEARS ago... by signing up for DBS or cable or whatever service we pay for. IF the model isn't working for you, then unsubscribe and look elsewhere. IF enough people disconnect, then you might see some changes... but by and large most people paying for their TV are accepting the contract.

    Do I wish TV was cheaper? Yes. I wish EVERYTHING were cheaper... but as of right now... the dollars I pay per month, averaged out per day and per movie/tv show/whatever I watch is still one of the best entertainment deals out there.

    I could only see a handful of movies OR attend a few concerts OR rent/buy a handful of movies or TV shows via other methods per month for the same money I spend now to get more than I can sometimes find the time to sit and watch. It's hard to argue I'm not getting a good deal right now.
     
  5. Sep 21, 2013 #85 of 209
    brucegrr

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    Like you, I wish TV was cheaper. But, I also put the cost in context. We subscribe to HBO which costs the equivelent of my wife and I going to a movie once a month. The price we pay per month for Dish is half of what we would pay for my wife and I to attend an NFL game or an Ohio State football game. (And it is likely our seats would not give us as good of a view as the TV)

    I am disabled, and my life is dominated by pain and debility. TV is a wonderful diversion for me. My wife and I love to watch TV, especially since we spent many years in a religion that frowned on watching TV. We are seeing movies for the first time that "normal" people saw 25 years ago. :) for us, Dish provides a good value.

    I am an avid sports fan and I watch ESPN. However, if ESPN was not on Dish, outside of Monday Night football and a few college football/basketball games, I wouldn't miss it. Our kids are all grown now, so ABC Family, Disney, etc are no longer watched in our home. We would, however, miss ABC.

    This debate will continue to spin, with each of us having our own opinion about what programming is important to us. Makes for great discussions, but like with politics and religion, rarely are opinions changed. :)
     
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  6. Sep 21, 2013 #86 of 209
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    Those channels alone aren't driving up the cost of the package as a whole in the way ESPN is. If it is going to cost as much as it does and cause a price hike to every package, then they need to come up with other options for the people that want it.
     
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    James Long

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    If there was a good elsewhere that would be a better argument. My sister talks about cutting the cord to save money but she can't find everything she wants elsewhere. Even by using various vendors. Many of the vendors could be considered questionable as far as legality issues. I don't mind paying the providers something for their content but I do not want to pay a vendor who is providing content that THEY should be paying for unless they pay the provider. Others may not care and see not paying the provider/content owner as their way of "sticking it to the man". But I digress.

    It is nice to have a provider where I do not have to wonder if they are legally delivering content. Sure DISH illegally delivered four HD ABC/ESPN channels a few years ago ... but that was more of a misunderstanding and they had permission to deliver the content in SD to the customers who received it in HD. I can't say that about all the alternate vendors.


    Breaking News: DISH will raise prices in February 2014. Whether they blame the price increase on ESPN, the regional sports channels, local network affiliates or some other outside influences prices will go up in February.
     
  8. Sep 22, 2013 #88 of 209
    sregener

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    I understand your argument, but you'll also need to consider mine. Almost all of the channels I or my family watch are in AT120. I have to get AT200 to get NFL Network, BTN, The Hub and BBC America. You can't tell me those 4 channels are $15/month. And I have to get AT250 to get 1 channel, but a very important one to me: The Tennis Channel. That's 5 channels total that add $25/month to my bill. Which puts them in the ESPN pricing range. Sure there's 125 other channels that I'm getting, but I never watch them, so why should I have to pay for them?

    Sports programming is the #1 reason I have pay television. There isn't anything else on pay TV I couldn't find elsewhere or substitute elsewhere for a lot less $$$.
     
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    Paul Secic

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    I'm disabled as well, but I watch The History Channel, A&E ETC. If I didn't have I'd be board. Like you I have lots of pain.
     
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    Why is it any different? As a practical matter you will lose any argument about forcing ESPN ala carte and none of the others. Sorry, I think most of what is put out by Viacom is trash tv. In the aggregate they command some good dollars....maybe not per channel.
     
  11. Sep 23, 2013 #91 of 209
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    The fact that we do not see any of the screen crawls right now telling us of a potential loss of ESPN is very encouraging......
     
  12. Sep 23, 2013 #92 of 209
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    Dish-Disney TV contract dispute has many customers on edge


    Contract negotiations between Dish Network and the Walt Disney Co. look to be as cantankerous as the dustup last month between Time Warner Cable and CBS.

    Things are not going smoothly for the two entertainment heavyweights with their contract set to expire Sept. 30.

    The talks stalled last week, according to the financial website seekingalpha.com, and Dish co-founder and Chairman Charles W. Ergen was taking a hard line as early as last month.


    Full Story Here
     
  13. Sep 23, 2013 #93 of 209
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    What's P12 Network have to do with it?
     
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    Paul Secic

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    Fresno really?
     
  15. Sep 23, 2013 #95 of 209
    lwilli201

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    Would dropping ESPN be a bad thing? I see a multitude of post decrying the cost of ESPN to people that could give a flip about sports. Subscribers would have a real choice, to pay or not to pay for sports (If Dish reduces there package prices accordingly). There would be a great amount of churn but I doubt that in the end the numbers of subs would change that much. With the freed capacity Dish could also add a multitude of content that Directv will not have. At the cost of content today, these companies need to target their audience instead of trying to satisfy everyone. This may have the effect of drawing subs from cable that are tired of paying for sports channels that they do not watch. Another side effect of Dish dropping ESPN may force ESPN to go a la cart, but that may be a stretch.
     
  16. Sep 23, 2013 #96 of 209
    brucegrr

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    Why would losing ESPN affect the baseball playoffs? The playoffs are on TBS and Fox.


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  17. Sep 23, 2013 #97 of 209
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    Can you enlighten me on what this multitude of content is?
     
  18. Sep 23, 2013 #98 of 209
    Athlon646464

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    I simply quoted the LA Daily News article.

    The link to the full story is in my post. Gregory Wilcox's (the reporter who wrote the story) email address is at the end of the article.
     
  19. Sep 23, 2013 #99 of 209
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    Another release with no updated info or direct quotes from either party that weren't from last month. The only source we have that anything has changed is apparently someone at seekingalpha.com seems to think talks have stalled, but no reason given as to why they think that or where they're getting that info because everything else in that article is just regurgitated from what we've already seen. Until I see a release from either Dish or Disney confirming any of this I remain dubious.
     
  20. lwilli201

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    OK, maybe a poor choice of words, but it would free up some space, but that is not the real focus of my post.
     
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