1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Welcome to the new DBSTalk community platform. We have recently migrated to a community platform called Xenfono and hope you will find this change to your liking. There are some differences, but for the most part, if you just post and read, that will all be the same. If you have questions, please post them in the Forum Support area. Thanks!

Would DTV License It HD DVR Tech?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by CraigerCSM, Nov 1, 2009.

  1. Nov 1, 2009 #1 of 24
    CraigerCSM

    CraigerCSM Guest

    I was wondering if DTV would ever license its HD DVR Tech to other companies? Say they could have Happauge or ATI do an internal HD DVR Dual Tuner Card for Windows 7 PC's. Could they also license it to Sony for their Playstation 3 and 4 and to Microsoft for their XBOX 360 and 720 if they call it that? Thanks.
     
  2. Nov 1, 2009 #2 of 24
    Movieman

    Movieman Hall Of Fame

    2,044
    0
    May 8, 2009
    If they wanted to I dont see why not. Only thing that may come in the middle is any agreements with Tivo cant be breached.
     
  3. Nov 1, 2009 #3 of 24
    bobnielsen

    bobnielsen Éminence grise DBSTalk Club

    8,473
    92
    Jun 29, 2006
    Bainbridge...
    They had a deal with Microsoft to develop the HTPC (originally a card but later it became an external box). It was abandoned with no explanation, IIRC.
     
  4. Nov 1, 2009 #4 of 24
    BattleZone

    BattleZone Hall Of Fame

    8,969
    1
    Nov 13, 2007
    The problem isn't developing the hardware; the problem is the software integration, especially with DRM, conditional access, and other security and interactivity being integrated with a much more "open" system like a PC. It would require a huge software effort and extensive testing, which is one reason why DirecTV was working with Microsoft, who already have a robust Media Center application and lots of existing DRM and conditional access support built in. But given that Microsoft has scaled back its support for Media Center (a huge mistake, IMO; Media Center was IMO staged for a big breakthrough), DirecTV and Dish both abandoned their integrated solutions.

    IMO, it's very, very doubtful that anyone else is going to be able to write software, at least for Windows, that would meet all of DirecTV's legal requirements, and given the relative size of the Mac and Linux home user base, I don't see enough return on the investment to make it worthwhile.

    And this is from a HUGE Media Center fan...
     
  5. Nov 1, 2009 #5 of 24
    CraigerCSM

    CraigerCSM Guest

    Do you Microsoft scaling back it's support with DirecTV? Microsoft is not scaling back its support of Media Center. They have revamped it with Windows 7. People are saying its the best Media Center version ever.

    What do you think about DTV partnering with Sony and having the Playstation 3 and 4 be a DTV HD DVR?
     
  6. Nov 1, 2009 #6 of 24
    itguy05

    itguy05 Legend

    161
    0
    Oct 24, 2007
    I dono. The codebase of the HR series is Linux so most of the development work is done there. And Linux is close to the Mac OS so that would open it up to another 10%. You could extend it to Windows users with virtualization software to run Linux inside of Windows. Add into it some leased hardware for the smart cards and it could work well. The underlying bits for Vista and 7 have TONS and TONS OF DRM built in so they should have an easy time of getting the copyright holders' approval.

    However, I'd suspect that the Media Center segment is very, very, very small. My guess is that's why MS practically gives it away as when it was a standalone Windows version it didn't sell well.
     
  7. Nov 1, 2009 #7 of 24
    CraigerCSM

    CraigerCSM Guest

    I wonder if this is the main reason DTV gave up on the external tuner for Windows Media Center? Unless they are redesigning it for Windows 7 Media Center?
     
  8. Nov 1, 2009 #8 of 24
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Wouldn't hold my breath on this (assuming I want to live).
     
  9. Nov 2, 2009 #9 of 24
    RobertY

    RobertY Mentor

    32
    0
    Jul 9, 2008
  10. BattleZone

    BattleZone Hall Of Fame

    8,969
    1
    Nov 13, 2007
    Those Engaget links are almost 2 years old, showing development versions of the tuners we discussed earlier. That's the program that has been canceled/abandonded.
     
  11. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    182
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Not a snowball's chance. The DIRECTV technology isn't that outstanding and any add-on would need to be a mostly complete HD DVR.
     
  12. CraigerCSM

    CraigerCSM Guest

    I was just curious because Sony has that Play TV in Europe that makes the PS3 become a DVR. I am not sure if Play TV does HD. I was wondering if Sony would ever make Play TV available in the USA what TV provider would they go with?
     
  13. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    182
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Rest assured that a 80-160GB HD DVR is nothing to write home about.
    It does do HDTV where you can find HD content.
    As Sony has visited the HD DVR product space in the US and pulled out rather abruptly, not a snowball's chance. The product is 30 months old and it is just entering its second market (Australia) at the end of this month. Not exactly catching fire and certainly not in markets where pay TV rules.

    Having all of this tied to a gaming console makes very little sense. Expandability is a decided downer for anyone wanting to capture more than a few hours of HD content.

    If anyone were to pick up something like this it might be someone like Lodgenet. The PS3 is certainly more interesting as a platform than WebTV.
     
  14. CraigerCSM

    CraigerCSM Guest

    Thanks for the info. What about the PS4? Could you see Sony adding DTV to the PS4?
     
  15. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    182
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    For all of the above reasons and more, not a snowball's chance.
     
  16. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    7,058
    60
    Jul 19, 2005
    Jackson
    Just a note, the size of the HD in a PS3 is only limited to your budget and the size of the available 2.5" sata notebook drives on the market.
     
  17. CraigerCSM

    CraigerCSM Guest

  18. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    182
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    No amount of marketing (or ongoing questioning about the viability) of such a product can overcome the price point of such a device as compared with a dedicated device with a proper remote control. History shows that console companies always charge quite a bit more than the retail value of the hard drive space for larger hard drives.

    If DIRECTV and Microsoft can't make a go of it with ubiquitous Windows boxes, Sony's not going to hemorrhage millions to try and cobble something up to further distract from the gaming aspect of the PlayStation.

    If you want an example from the 80's of something like you propose, read up on the ColecoVision. Along with its sibling, the Adam personal computer, it ran a once popular company (they pushed everything from leathercraft kits and above ground swimming pools to the insanely popular Cabbage Patch dolls) into bankruptcy.
     
  19. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    182
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    And your willingness to void the 12 month warranty. 500GB drives go for around $100 and 1TB drives are around $180. SFF server drives start at around $300.
     
  20. JoeTheDragon

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    4,564
    28
    Jul 21, 2008
    the ps3 is build to let you put your own HDD in.
     

Share This Page