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  1. jonstad

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    And if the Bible(have some respect. "Bible" is capitalized!):D says Jews are God's chosen people? Where does that leave all you Christian types?:scratchin

    Oh yeah! Waiting for THE RAPTURE!:lol::rotfl:
     
  2. AllieVi

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    In that part of the world, the bible is the Koran. Have you checked to verify that it also makes that statement?
     
  3. Tom in TX

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    This statement shows that you are pre-judging any plans that Israel "deigns"
    to put out as being a "sham". If you are pre-judging Israel (Jewish State) you are:


    Being anti-Semitic is
    -"having or showing prejudice against Jews."
    Webster's Unabridged Dictionary

    Your prejudicial statement is anti-Semetic.

    Tom in TX
     
  4. missileman

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    Have you forgotten taht Sadamm ACTUALLY used gas on Iraqis? That was a WMD!
     
  5. missileman

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    I think you'll find that the Jews WERE God's chosen people. Jesus brought us into the fold.
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    Have you forgotten that we (US government) knew he did this way back before 1980, and yet we still befriended him, gave him more weapons, and taught his soldiers how to use them?

    Then we turned on him, like we always do, when he didn't become our lapdog in the middle east.

    It was ok if he gassed his own people back when he was on our side... it only became evil and wrong (in our government's eyes) when he wouldn't let us run his country!
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    Boiling things down to stereotype and simplicity...

    The Jewish people were waiting for their messiah... other people at that time told them they were crazy.

    Suddenly we have Jesus! And a bunch of non-Jewish people said, "hey there's your messiah"... but the Jewish people (and Jesus was Jewish) said "no, he's not our messiah and by the way you don't even believe in our religion anyway so how do you think you get to choose our messiah???"

    Then many many many years after Jesus' death, so long in fact that no one that had known him was still alive, the New Testament was written up... and there really began Christianity.

    Overlysimplified... but generally the gyst of things.

    No one really makes a big deal about it... but how do people who don't believe in a religion suddenly come to declare a messiah and then re-write that religion for themselves? Makes you think.
     
  8. Bogy

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    God also said this, Exo 23:9 "Don't mistreat foreigners. You were foreigners in Egypt, and you know what it is like."
     
  9. Halfsek

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    Let's see. You quote me then go off about apologists of Israel use revisionist history.


    From Onepalestine.org
    That's it Bogy. I see your true beliefs. You failed to mention that the first page of the site shows ALL of Israel and the disputed territories as being Palestine. Just for everyone else to see, I've attached it. You constantly accuse me of defending Israel for everything even while quoting a post in which I said that the Palestinians should have a country. You then proudly reference "facts" from a site which boldy states that they support any actions to rid all Jews from "historic Palestine."
     

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  10. jonstad

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    Wow! You've got to be a contortionist to make a stretch like that! But you've got to bend over backwards(or just bend over) to make the case Israel's policies and our unequivocal support for them has been anything other than a complete failure.

    Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which Palestinian peace plans were signed onto by the state of Israel?

    I have "pre-judged" nothing. The statement was made that Palestinians turned down settlements "on at least 4 different occasions". By definition, these were not mutually negotiated and agreed upon terms on which to base a "Palestinian state". They were what was presented as what Israel was willing to offer the Palestinians. In other words, what Israel "deigned" to offer. And then we were "shocked, shocked" when the Palestinians refused to sign on. If you don't recognize that as a "sham", you don't know what a sham is!

    The alternative is to believe Palestinians "mutually negotiated and agreed" to these "deals" and at the last minute refused to sign because they prefer living in abject poverty under a strict military occupation, having their houses, farms, fields and orchards bulldozed and a wall built around them.

    But yours is a neat trick, and a cheap one. Criticism of a "Jewish state" is conflated to anti-Semitism, a hatred of Jews. If one criticizes Iran or Saudi Arabia then, is one anti-Islamic? By your logic, there's no question, is there.
     
  11. Opynion

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    I have never checked the koran, and if the koran is what the arabs read and they still hate the Jews, than the koran is probably, not a very good book after all. :lol:
     
  12. Opynion

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    True, but the palestianians were not going to leave if they had the entire land of Israel ocuppied, not even if the Jews would ask them to leave in a polite way, the Jews had to use force, just as HE† who used violence to run-out like thieves, those that were doing business in the Temple,
    and HE was asked by what authority he did it :)
    that's how the Jews did also to the palestinians, and by the same authority, in order for the Jews to recover what was written that would be for them: Israel :rolleyes:
     
  13. jonstad

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    Well, for most of the last 2000 years Christians thought the New Testament was ample reason to "hate the Jews". It was only very late in the last century the Pope felt it appropriate to finally absolve Jews for the death of Jesus.

    So it appears the Bible may also be "not a very good book after all.":p
     
  14. Bogy

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    Many statements from Israeli leaders have also stated their intention to remove ALL non-Jews from Palestine, or Israel, whichever you want to call it. Opynion is using the Bible to prove that the Jews have a right to return to Israel, and kick out anyone else they find there. (Most left around 70 AD, and I guess the land was just supposed to remain vacant from then until the 1880's. Nobody in over 1800 years had any right to live there.) There ARE Jewish leaders (and American Christians) who state that because God promised to Abraham that his descendants would rule the land from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates River, and indeed, briefly in Solomon’s time Israel ruled over "all the kingdoms from the River (Euphrates) to the land of the Philistines as far as the border of Egypt" (1 Kings 4.21). This would include modern Syria, Jordan, much of Iraq and part of Egypt. Now do you start to see why other countries in the Region are nervous about their intentions, and why they HAVE use the Palestinians as a buffer?

    I already stated that the site I linked was written from the Palestinian point of view. I also stated that if the basic timeline is in error, provide evidence to back it up. My only point in all the discussion we have had over this issue is that there is NO side with clean hands. My point is that in the eyes of many Americans Israel can do no wrong, and the Palestinians can do no right, and that I believe that NEITHER side has been either totally right or wrong. They have BOTH turned down proposals which might have provided a solution, because there are those on BOTH sides who will never be satisfied with "some", but insist on having it "all."
     
  15. Opynion

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    In the Bible, the Son of Man is a Jew, the book is good,
    the koran to the arabs, it's more about, hate the Jews, proof of that are all the arabs that hate them, and for no reason, or do they blame the Jews for killing Muhammad? :lol:
     
  16. Stewart Vernon

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    Ummm... what? The "son of man" is a Jew?

    Oh... and are you talking about New Testament or Old Testament when you say "Bible"?
     
  17. jonstad

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    OK, are you a real person? Or just Nick or Richard pimping me?:uglyhamme
     
  18. Opynion

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    It has to be the same, since both Testaments are in the same Bible/book.

    :scratch:

    I must be.
     
  19. Halfsek

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    So by this sentence, am I to assume that you believe that "the Palestinian point of view" is the eradication of Jews from the area?
    I just want to make sure.

    We know the opposite isn't true- in regards to how Jews see the Palestinians. We see it right now.

    What is ineresting is that you choose to back up your points by using Palestinians who have no problem eradicating all Jews from the area. You could have used sources from Palestinian groups who are open to a two state solution (as I have stated that I am for), instead. Why didn't you?

    You then tell me that I can refute anything that's wrong if I want. The fact that that you quote an anti semetic site ("by any means necessary") is just a side note.
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    No, it isn't.

    The New Testament is primarily about Jesus and his followers. The Old Testament is about what comes before that.

    Jewish people follow the Old Testament and then diverge after that since they don't believe Jesus was the messiah they were waiting for.

    Christians (and others) believe that Jesus was the messiah predicted in the Old Testament, however not all Christians believe everything that is in the Old Testament.

    While you may have purchased/obtained a book that contains both the New Testament and the Old Testament... they most assuredly are two distinct and separate books. There was a LONG time between when the Old Testament was written and the New Testament began. Many generations of folks in between!
     
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