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Yay, found a way to get around the DVR (722* and 922 atleast) Timer limit

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by BodyshotsByDan, Jul 2, 2011.

  1. Jul 2, 2011 #1 of 12
    BodyshotsByDan

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    Hello all :)

    Well, like many of you, I struggle with the timer limit of 96 timers or 288 events on my 722. I have been on disability for the last 4 years and stuck in bed most of the time so I watch a LOT of TV (usually while programming or surfing on my laptop), so needless to say I record a Lot. I used to always have to delete timers for shows that ended their season so I could record shows that started their season soon. Playing on dish remote access I added some timers and noticed I never ran into the limit (I had just subscribed to all the movie channels so needed to record some stuff :) ). Currently on my DVR I have 102 timers with 502 events. WooWooo :) I did have upwards of 112 events at one time (many single events).

    Just thought I would contribute a bit to the forums with this find, I am now a very happy camper, I always hated having to juggle timers.

    Oh, and interesting thing, seems if you delete a timer that was setup locally you can then add a timer again locally, but you can not add them locally if you are past the local 96 timers, so now what I will be doing is converting some of my timers to DRA or DOL timers so I can still setup local timers (which is more convenient by far than logging into a browser every time I want to add something) :)
     
  2. Jul 3, 2011 #2 of 12
    Michael P

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    I never knew there was a timer limit. 96 timers? When would you have time to watch what you record? I used to have a few timers set to record daily programs, I could barely keep up with watching the recordings and deleted many without ever watching.

    With 96 timers you have a virtual "on demand" situation with everything that is of interest to you.
     
  3. Jul 3, 2011 #3 of 12
    Michael P

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    I just reread your post. That limit is on the browser based "dish remote access" not on the DVR itself. That web based access has been in beta so any limits can change at any time. Never mind.

    I hope you get well soon. :)
     
  4. Jul 3, 2011 #4 of 12
    TulsaOK

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    The timer limit is at the DVR, not the browser, which I think is what the OP proved.
     
  5. Jul 4, 2011 #5 of 12
    BodyshotsByDan

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    Ya, if you do a search for timer limits there is a discussion around 2008 about them, I had been dealing with the problem before those posts but never thought much of it until I got frustrated enough and found those posts back then.

    It's pretty easy to have 96 timers and not fill up the DVR. Considering many of my timers are for shows that air once a week, many less than 20 episodes a year, and Many of them are one offs, oh yes and also dish passes for certain subjects I keep up on in my tech side, it just adds up.

    Thank you Michael on your wish of good health, and thank you Kent on your reply :)
     
  6. Jul 4, 2011 #6 of 12
    TulsaOK

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    Nice discovery, by the way.
     
  7. Jul 4, 2011 #7 of 12
    Jim5506

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    Sounds like the programmer forgot to include something in his code.

    It may cause out of memory error if it fills up available memory and overflows.
     
  8. Jul 4, 2011 #8 of 12
    Stewart Vernon

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    This is an odd thing... because the timers on the Web site don't stay on the Web site.. I'm sure everyone knows this, but the Web site "pushes" those timers to the receiver... which should mean that in the end, a timer is a timer is a timer.

    It sounds like the Web site isn't restricting the number of timers/events, though, in the same way that the receiver does.

    What I'm wondering... is if this workaround has introduced a problem you just haven't encountered yet... The receiver may at some point fail to fire a timer as a result of the workaround.

    It's like if you have a 100 person limit in your house, because that's all you can hold... but you forget to lock all the doors once you hit 100... and people keep sneaking in the back door... eventually it will cause a problem.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2011 #9 of 12
    BobaBird

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    Yep, if you bring in another wanted guest, did one of the caterers get pushed into a closet to make room and thus be unable bring out the next round of refills?

    Do all the timers that should have possible events in the guide show them in the daily schedule? I wonder if the limit is 96 timers with currently generated events? (BTW the events limit was raised from 288 to 576 a few years ago.)

    I don't know why the box would have a way to keep more timers than can be entered via the remote and, since it apparently can, why that 96 timer limit hasn't been raised to whatever the actual limit is. Seems it shouldn't matter how it was entered.
     
  10. BodyshotsByDan

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    I was worrying about the same thing (memory stack errors, etc). I have kept an eye on things and I do get some small glitches but so far no show stoppers.

    When creating timers over 100 or so the currently viewing show will skip/freeze for 1/2 a second. I have tried adding a show while recording two shows and the subsequent shows played fine so no errors there. I do sometimes 'lose' timers, but that was happening when I had 72 timers, it either shows a few days ahead that it is going to record and then on the day of recording it doesn't, sometimes the timer just deletes (Like True Blood, I set the time on thursday to record new shows, on friday it was showing in my upcoming recordings, and sunday it was gone (Had to record on HBO-W).

    I was going to try and stress test it, see what would happen, but I don't want to have to reenter my timers on a new box (I don't have a 722k in my room so can't back up my timers :( ) I don't plan on doing many more timers than I already have (I currently now only have 87 timers (Many were one time shows) with 587 events), just the new fall schedule shows (I regularly trim the canceled shows).

    I will keep the thread updated if I find anything new.

    Thanks all :) (Oh, I didn't know about the event upgrade, last thread I saw that showed the limits it was the 299, which is what I was seeing at the time, didn't really pay attention to them after that :D )
     
  11. BodyshotsByDan

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    Sorry forgot to reply to the question. Yes, at the time I was over 100 timers everything showed correctly in the upcoming events, and most of them recorded fine, except for the 2 disappearing timers mentioned above. Again I can't tell if that is an issue with being over the timer limit or not as it has happened even when I was in the 70s with a lot less events.

    It could be because of the possibility of overflow, programmers (good ones anyway) tend to make limits with a little cushion :) I know I always buffer my limits.
     
  12. BodyshotsByDan

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    I was messing around with DOL and DRA and was setting a bunch of single shot timers (some record news as well). I seemed to hit a ceiling @ either 113 timers or 576 events on DRA. Went to DOL and added a few more (Got tired so didn't go crazy but it seemed to go over the 113 and 576). Hmmmm
     

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