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Your opinions: How should DIRECTV compete against Dish's Hopper?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I would assure you - it's the same from OS [Linux] wise perspective (little different from HW standpoint, but it's irrelevant in the discussion).

    ADDED: I forgot to mention about other approach - similar to select Restart item in System menu: soft reset by holding Power button like dish made on many their boxes: hold the button for 10 seconds and OS will gets the signal, will flush all buffers with updates to HDD and then will restart. There is little variation of the method - for PAL DVR [TR50] you could hold Power button on remote for the 10 seconds with same result; well that DVR doesn't have any button, so using remote is only one way do soft reset.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Actually - up to four EHD 2 TB each could be connected to 922 or 813 [h2k] models.

    [Your HDD size notations is ... umm ... egh ... inconvenient, so you doing mistake by yourself]
     
  3. inkahauts

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    DIRECTV keeps 100 gigs for its own use, everything else is available to the user, no matter how big a hard drive you use.

    You can accomplish your setup with two HR34 and you actually don't need a second Joey, although I know you won't with DISH either at some point, in theory. The only main difference at the moment is that dish is more flexible with the added hard drives and management of series links, while DIRECTV is far more flexible with its tuners and how you access and playback recordings.

    They both have their pluses and minuses. What I want to see is where we are at in one year. If things fall the way I expect, the DIRECTV system should be far superior, but I think DISH will take the edge this summer for a while assuming they get their software together and out as they say they will... Although if they limit it to two hopers, then actually, they will never have an edge IMHO.
     
  4. patmurphey

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    My bad, I'm using 5t, I should have said max 9t, I understood 2 2t each with direct connections, I forgot using a hub could allow more. Anyway you have access to more than anyone would need on EHDs.

    The "t" in 500t was a typo.
     
  5. patmurphey

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    They are permitting more Hoppers to those who have more TVs, but only 2 at a time can be linked as whole house without juggling an extra Joey or 2 - for those with money to spare.

    I'm using my extra Joey on a different HDMI input with a one click switch on a Harmony remote to the other Hopper.
     
  6. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    FYI, using capital letters for measuring units means more then 1, while opposite - decimal parts of 1.
    That mean 1 TB would be 1,000,000,000,000 bytes, than 1 tb would be 1/1,000,000,000,000th of byte.
    So, don't make more typos, please.
     
  7. lugnutathome

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    Don't I know it :nono: You should see some of the junk email I get here at work. My favorite are the ones addressed to Mr Dawn Bolton with subjects regarding women's career tools and seminars.

    Don "not Dawn" Bolton

     
  8. lugnutathome

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    Technically speaking I believe Direct has abetter offering but aside from us geeks here most folks buy benefits. Direct TV needs to come up with an equally catchy marketing blitz, let the dishheads attack the extra tuner and just ad an Astrix footnote or link to address that actuality.

    People don't normally buy what they need rather what they think they want and that's often a seed planted by some annoying marketing ploy.

    Something akin to the MCP and Conscripts taking a high tech over played image to create both the high tech "need" and the link to remember what and why two minutes later.

    Something different but the same. Putting simpleton branding out there pays dividends.

    Don "a significant, value-added, productivity enhancement" Bolton
     
  9. Jerry_K

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    Having lived in campgrounds for the last year and a half, I can tell you that for the moveable crowd DirecTV needs to push hard. You only have to watch one person trying to find signal with Dish to thank the powers that be you have DirecTV. I just wish the DirecTV DVRs had a tone when signal is obtained. Would make my job a whole lot easier.

    Our son switched to dish a few years ago. His wife will never ever let him forget it either. She is a wonderful gal, but the Dish system really gets her going. It is truly arcane and very hard to get used to. I have no idea how one sets up recordings. And multi room viewing does not work with the regular dish equipment.
     
  10. mdavej

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    Are you saying Tailgater doesn't work?

    Last time I set up a recording I either pressed record or searched, same as I do with DirecTV, and the HD interface looks better. Hardly arcane.
     
  11. jdskycaster

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    Yes, I have to admit pressing the record button while watching a show or finding a future show in the guide and selecting it is a fairly tough process:rolleyes:

    Can someone verify that with DTV all you have to do is think about recording the show and the DVR does the rest for you? Can you also then play it back without ever touching even one button? If so, I am ready to switch back to DTV as long as it does not take two lifetimes to respond to my commands.

    As for the advertisements they are doing exactly what Dish intended. Last Sunday being the single busiest day in church parking lots across America allowed me an opportunity to socialize with many people I would not otherwise run into. Hopper references coming from every direction!:)
     
  12. HobbyTalk

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    How well do those dome or in motion antennas work for getting HD with Direct? How easy is it to set up Direct's HD antenna on a tripod?
     
  13. RACJ2

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    Interesting, I've been socializing with people ever since the Hopper and Joey were released. I've yet to have it come up in conversation. You must have a lot of friends that are on DISH. I went to church and the topic never came up.

    Ironically, DirecTV was indirectly brought up by a colleague of mine a couple days ago. Never met her before, so it wasn't like we've discussed DIRECTV prior. Since we travel a lot she mentioned that she wished she had a way to watch her DIRECTV DVR when away. So I showed her how I could connect from a PC at the clients site and watch. The point is, someone that has a provider is more likely to talk about them or notice commercials about them.
     
  14. P Smith

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    It would be different topic. not in the thread.
     
  15. patmurphey

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    Right. My typos, your grammar, the message was clear enough in both instances. Chill.
     
  16. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I'm cool, just:

    FYI, using capital letters for measuring units means more then 1, while opposite - decimal parts of 1.
    That mean 1 TB would be 1,000,000,000,000 bytes, than 1 tb would be 1/1,000,000,000,000th of byte.
     
  17. TomCat

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    I have no beef with you; you are one of my favorite posters and a good contributor here. I only wish you well. But sadly, this time you may be mistaking "needlessly" for "necessarily". And "rude" for "the truth" (and "rude" is only your interpretation, which was not necessarily the intent). It's not really about you anyway. Very little is.

    You will notice that I never pointed any fingers at you; never mentioned your name, left you completely out of it. But there are no free passes, either, even if I had the courtesy to go out of my way to make sure you were conspicuously absent from the post. No one should have to walk on eggshells around everyone else at risk of the truth just to have that be mistaken as the only definition of civility. It's the internet, ferchrissakes.

    Now your post? Civility incarnate :rolleyes:. That actually much more closely fits the definition of an attack; it includes statements that directly challenge whether I know what I'm talking about, something I had the courtesy not to bring up regarding your words in my post. And people will have to draw their own conclusions about that, just like they will about you. So, pot, meet kettle. It will be a difficult argument to accuse me of what you may even be more guilty of.

    The truth can hurt, and I don't hide from the truth. I think everyone would be better off if they didn't, but then to each his own. IMHO, I am not the one who veered from the path. What I posted were the facts only, and general knowledge to those who actually know, not some unsupported armchair quarterback supposition or theory.

    I'm only sorry some folks just can't seem to ever act reasonably when they find their precepts under challenge. It almost seems like the weaker the argument, the more frantically and ineptly things are defended (well, it is an election year, after all). The basic thing of it is still that you can't play fast and loose with the facts in an internet forum and not risk someone calling you out on it; it goes with the territory. Hell, I actually have the facts, and you are calling me out on it.

    I have an ego, like everyone else, but unlike some I usually (while not always) know when to not let it get in the way. I don't know everything, but I know enough, and probably ironically for you, much of what I have learned is because I have an open mind and no fear of being wrong or misinformed, which for me is just another opportunity to learn even more, rather than a call to circle the wagons and not budge from an indefensible position (which instead buys one absolutely nothing, BTW; it just digs the hole deeper and makes one look ever more foolish). Everyone makes their own choices in that regard, and it appears you have made yours as well, so there is not much left to discuss. Honestly, I feel your pain in this, and I'm sorry for that, but I must apologize only for pointing out the obvious, and nothing more.

    Quite reluctantly I will also point out that if your mind is made up about this it only will further prove my point, so I suggest we bury the hatchet now instead of later. I really didn't set out to make you feel bad, but your reaction is owned only by you; you could have had a different, more sensible reaction IMHO, and I am not the one in control of that. The last thing I need is for someone else I don't even know to go off on me about something I couldn't give two $#!+s about anyway.

    How about you're right, I'm wrong (because I just can't be bothered to really care one way or the other). Would that make you feel any better?
     
  18. patmurphey

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    I got it. I don't want my lack of kowledge of computer arcana to interfere with my point that the Hopper/Joey system has been grossly misrepresented in this thread.
     
  19. RACJ2

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    You know what they say, you learn something new every day! So if I post 1 mi vs 1 MI, how far is that? :rolleyes:
     
  20. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    You should continue learning ... sorry.
    There are acronyms, multipliers for measuring units, name of units, etc
    I see it's just a terra incognita for yourself ...
     

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