DIRECTV Still Lying About HDTV according to TVPredictions.com

Knowledge · 11-02-09, 05:21 PM

I miscounted on my list

**Doug Brott** · 11-02-09, 05:56 PM

Sixto has a good count here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=103232

Some of the HD channels are temporary and are used for NFLST, MLB Extra Innings, etc.

brucegrr · 11-02-09, 06:00 PM

According to this Directv page I count 94. (Doug's link to Sixto's post confirms the 94 count)

https://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/hd/difference

This does not include PPV, HD locals, etc.

So...........please let me know how you come up with 165 or 188?

Here is the link for Dish's HD.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/turbohd/default.aspx

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Knowledge

What are the actual #'s? D* has 165 HD channels 188 if you want to count RSNs. Not in including any HD Sports subs or HD locals DoD and Cinema and PPV.

**Tom Robertson** · 11-02-09, 06:02 PM

How one counts is perhaps the most important part.

One Sundays, 15 is all I need--except during bye weeks.

(And only DIRECTV has those 15...)

brucegrr · 11-02-09, 06:12 PM

Tom,

Quite correct. As I have said before...........when it comes to Sports there is only ONE service provider.........Directv.

I enjoyed the Vikings/Packers game Sunday. Great game. Personally I am a Bengals fan

I have HOPE this year (just like every other year since 1981) Maybe this year....

harsh · 11-03-09, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sigma1914

Try quoting his whole post. He said, "In the meantime the other providers have caught up..."

The quote stands by itself. The fact that the rest of the post contradicts the part I quoted doesn't make it any less false.

paulman182 · 11-03-09, 06:15 AM

No one can win a race that has no finish line.

cmoss5 · 11-03-09, 07:06 AM

For those not in the know, Swanni is a Directv subscriber as he said so
a few months ago in one of his articles praising DIRECTV. However, he
is just like the rest of us wanting Directv to hurry up and add more HD
channel now, not next year when the new satellite is up and going!!

**Doug Brott** · 11-03-09, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by harsh

The quote stands by itself. The fact that the rest of the post contradicts the part I quoted doesn't make it any less false.

Yes it does .. so when you don't include the other relevant portion you've totally changed the context of what was being said. What's the point?

gregjones · 11-03-09, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmoss5

For those not in the know, Swanni is a Directv subscriber as he said so
a few months ago in one of his articles praising DIRECTV. However, he
is just like the rest of us wanting Directv to hurry up and add more HD
channel now, not next year when the new satellite is up and going!!

He is also a writer that often uses thread posts from here as the basis for his stories. He indulges in yellow journalism, often embellishing or slanting the facts for a better headline.

Techie · 11-03-09, 10:13 AM

My father in law has Dish. Went over to his house and he was watching speed in sd. That was at least 8 months ago. I was over there saturday because they had a box searching for sat. I recommended they call for a tech to come out. I happened to be there when he showed up and they don't wear uniforms, badges?? Asked about speed in HD and got a look. I LOVE my speed in HD !!! (d* has had speed HD channel BEFORE the channel was broadcast in HD)....My dad's local channels are not in HD eather. Oh by the way the box was bad. There software locked up.

pfueri · 11-03-09, 11:47 AM

Theater quality TV on every channel !This is what Joe Buck says on the World Series DirecTv adds . Well this is a lie ! In fact DirecTv don't even have Theater quality sound on all of the HD channels. Let alone all the channels like the Joe Buck says on the DirecTv adds during the World Series . And about the lack of new HD programing and the highest prices for programing !
We all know that DirecTv just don't lie on the TV adds but about having the most HD .We all also know there is a lot of HD channels we don't have yet and have been around for a while now and yet DirecTv don't have them !One big example is ESPNU HD . Look I better not say to much more because all the brown nosers on this site might start crying .Ther fact is we all pay way to much for DirecTv than we should .

bobcamp1 · 11-03-09, 12:08 PM

I think avsforum has the grand list of all channels and which service providers have them or not. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1058081

D* is missing most of the premium HD channels, for example. And several others.

I think the fair comparison would be to compare the different packages with each other. And exclude the a la carte / PPV / VOD stuff. And that would differ from region to region.

But D* is clearly not the leader. Dish, Verizon, and AT&T are ahead. Your local cable company may be ahead as well.

Curtis0620 · 11-03-09, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bobcamp1

I think avsforum has the grand list of all channels and which service providers have them or not. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1058081

D* is missing most of the premium HD channels, for example. And several others.

I think the fair comparison would be to compare the different packages with each other. And exclude the a la carte / PPV / VOD stuff. And that would differ from region to region.

But D* is clearly not the leader. Dish, Verizon, and AT&T are ahead. Your local cable company may be ahead as well.

D* is significantly ahead in Full-time RSN's. Which pushes the total in favor of D*.

Artwood · 11-03-09, 01:57 PM

Once they launch 10 trillion satellites to carry 10 trillion channels--is there any chance that they might try to increase the resolution of any of them?

Is there any chance that the providers such as HBO and Showtime would ever try to increase the resolution of what they provide?

If DBS ever looked as good as Blu-Ray would the universe blow up?

CCarncross · 11-03-09, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Artwood

Once they launch 10 trillion satellites to carry 10 trillion channels--is there any chance that they might try to increase the resolution of any of them?

Is there any chance that the providers such as HBO and Showtime would ever try to increase the resolution of what they provide?

If DBS ever looked as good as Blu-Ray would the universe blow up?

The resolution at least on the MPEG4 HD stations that are 1080 is already the SAME as blu-ray(1920x1080), maybe you are referring to amount of compression used compared to Blu-ray? Transmission telecasts will never look as good as BD disk, its just wont happen. but I'll tell you that the 1080p stuff I have seen from D* so far looks pretty close. its a trade off, do you want quality or quantity, there is not an unlimited amount of bandwidth so you can't have both. D* and the other providers have to try to create a balance they feel meets the wants of the majority of their subscribers. They will never be able to meet the wants of EVERY subscriber.

lovswr · 11-03-09, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brucegrr

Tom,

Quite correct. As I have said before...........when it comes to Sports there is only ONE service provider.........Directv.

I enjoyed the Vikings/Packers game Sunday. Great game. Personally I am a Bengals fan

I have HOPE this year (just like every other year since 1981) Maybe this year....

I grew up in Dayton. Jerry Rice pushed off! 'Nuff said.

Hutchinshouse · 11-03-09, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Artwood

Once they launch 10 trillion satellites to carry 10 trillion channels--is there any chance that they might try to increase the resolution of any of them?

Is there any chance that the providers such as HBO and Showtime would ever try to increase the resolution of what they provide?

If DBS ever looked as good as Blu-Ray would the universe blow up?

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Originally Posted by CCarncross

The resolution at least on the MPEG4 HD stations that are 1080 is already the SAME as blu-ray(1920x1080), maybe you are referring to amount of compression used compared to Blu-ray? Transmission telecasts will never look as good as BD disk, its just wont happen. but I'll tell you that the 1080p stuff I have seen from D* so far looks pretty close. its a trade off, do you want quality or quantity, there is not an unlimited amount of bandwidth so you can't have both. D* and the other providers have to try to create a balance they feel meets the wants of the majority of their subscribers. They will never be able to meet the wants of EVERY subscriber.

I want both.

With 10 trillion satellites, I'm sure we'll get both.

Bump up the bitrate please!

scorpio110753 · 11-03-09, 03:21 PM

i am a dish, dtv & hughes net installation tech and have no complaints about my home dtv hd. i wish the owner would drop dish but he won't. like the old saying goe's.....u get what u pay for... if u don't like dtv then go to another provider.. i'm happy and because we install dish i still have to pay what everyone else doe's. best sports package and hd in the business.

sdk009 · 11-03-09, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lovswr

I grew up in Dayton. Jerry Rice pushed off! 'Nuff said.

I live in NorCal. Did it get called...?

Yea I had to laugh at Joe Buck's reading of the D* ad about "theater quality picture and sound on EVERY channel." I guess he's never seen CSNBA & CSNCA in standard def.

Movieman · 11-03-09, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CCarncross

The resolution at least on the MPEG4 HD stations that are 1080 is already the SAME as blu-ray(1920x1080), maybe you are referring to amount of compression used compared to Blu-ray? Transmission telecasts will never look as good as BD disk, its just wont happen. but I'll tell you that the 1080p stuff I have seen from D* so far looks pretty close. its a trade off, do you want quality or quantity, there is not an unlimited amount of bandwidth so you can't have both. D* and the other providers have to try to create a balance they feel meets the wants of the majority of their subscribers. They will never be able to meet the wants of EVERY subscriber.

Are you referring to PPV or broadcast stations?

CCarncross · 11-03-09, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Are you referring to PPV or broadcast stations?

1920x1080 is 1920x1080, whether its interlaced or progressive doesnt change the resolution....its just the bitrates are much higher on BD disks....I've seen 30+Mb/sec on my players display.

There are really only 2 HD resolutions being shown on the MPEG4 HD stations, either 1280x720(720p), or 1920x1080(1080i)p only in special situations like PPV, and that is determined by the station(FOX, ABC, ESPN, are all 720 stations)

harsh · 11-04-09, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Brott

Yes it does .. so when you don't include the other relevant portion you've totally changed the context of what was being said.

Context should precede (and must not contradict) the conclusion.

The first sentence was false and the second sentence illustrated one reason why. The tertiary sentence directly contradicted the first sentence by asserting that the race must ultimately end in a draw.

DIRECTV had a lead for a time and and that time has passed. They may get it back and then again, they may not. Their competition, both terrestrial and orbital, is bulking up at a furious pace.

bobcamp1 · 11-04-09, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis0620

D* is significantly ahead in Full-time RSN's. Which pushes the total in favor of D*.

No it doesn't. The link I gave above also has a link to the RSNs. All the local RSNs are available on local cable in HD. But an out-of-market RSN won't be on local cable at all, simply because there is no demand for it. Also, a lot of those channels are "game time only" on D* -- meaning that it's not in HD 24x7. But they are not "game-time only" on other providers -- it's 24x7. Likewise, I don't count the 1,000 HD PPV or VOD channels that D* doesn't have. And how do you count the optional sports packages?

I think this discussion means different things to different people. I think it is about what channels are available SD only vs. HD and SD. And D* has a lot of premium movie channels that are SD only, while FIOS has every single one in HD. This is a glaring problem that has got to be addressed.

**Doug Brott** · 11-04-09, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by harsh

Context should precede (and must not contradict) the conclusion.

The first sentence was false and the second sentence illustrated one reason why. The tertiary sentence directly contradicted the first sentence by asserting that the race must ultimately end in a draw.

DIRECTV had a lead for a time and and that time has passed. They may get it back and then again, they may not. Their competition, both terrestrial and orbital, is bulking up at a furious pace.

Whatever dude .. So you saying here:

"DIRECTV had a lead for a time and and that time has passed."

is something different than Stuart saying:

"The race for HD supremacy was won by DIRECTV when they launched HD channels two years ago. In the meantime the other providers have caught up, but with the upcoming launch of DIRECTV12, DIRECTV will surge ahead.?"

I don't get it.