TiVo vs EchoStar: Echostar found to be in Contempt

[jacmyoung]

Originally Posted by Shades228

I bet a "fix" comes out if/when the DirecTV Tivo launches. People who haven't migrated to a Dish DVR at that point would be more willing to leave than to give up their Tivo.

Nothing is stopping him from leaving now. His TiVo boxes should work with DirecTV receivers.

As far as the new DirecTiVo DVR, I know I have made a few enemies out of my fellow DirecTV subscribers over there at the DirecTV forum (damn those TiVo lovers are really sensitive bunch no matter where they are), but I am still saying, don’t hold your breath for that to happen soon, even if it happens, don’t expect it to have much traction.

The agreement calls for a “significantly higher” monthly fee to use the new DirecTiVo DVR. The latest DirecTV CE program has made their HR series of HD DVRs more pleasant to use, with surprisingly solid MRV, DB and other features you can enjoy already.

TiVo just slashed the prices on their own HD DVRs. I will not be surprised if they put out some bad quarterly numbers next week. DirecTV will not be there to the rescue. TiVo can really use some help from Charlie.

But as I said before, making a deal Charlie cannot refuse is a very tall order to fill.

[jballard]

Originally Posted by jacmyoung

It is people like you and him, losely called the "TiVo pumpers", who time after time surprise us by providing endless supply of laughing materials for our entertainment.

I guess that means that people like you who are always putting Tivo down can loosely be called "Tivo Poopers"? That makes me laugh.

[deaincaelo]

Originally Posted by dgordo

No matter how many times you make this claim it is still wrong.

I'm interested in your reasoning why Betamax, digital VCRs, HTPC's, and the like use a different process than TIVO. (while E* receivers with the new software use the same process)

[jacmyoung]

Originally Posted by jballard

I guess that means that people like you who are always putting Tivo down can loosely be called "Tivo Poopers"? That makes me laugh.

Great, make a joke then laugh at your own joke, just great.

Notice we are laughing at the kind of materials the "TiVo pumpers" supply to us on a regular basis, we don't have to make a joke ourselves.

BTW, you cannot have a "TiVo pooper" because there ain't no party at TiVo these days. TiVo just slashed their prices in order to try to move their products that they cannot sell.

Originally Posted by deaincaelo

I'm interested in your reasoning why Betamax, digital VCRs, HTPC's, and the like use a different process than TIVO. (while E* receivers with the new software use the same process)

I don't know about HTPCs, but VCRs do not use "start code detection and indexing method", therefore they use different processes than the TiVo's.

Likewise, the E* new software does not use "start code detection and indexing" so it is also different than the TiVo's. Just ask the PTO examiners.

[Jhon69]

Originally Posted by jacmyoung

Nothing is stopping him from leaving now. His TiVo boxes should work with DirecTV receivers.

As far as the new DirecTiVo DVR, I know I have made a few enemies out of my fellow DirecTV subscribers over there at the DirecTV forum (damn those TiVo lovers are really sensitive bunch no matter where they are), but I am still saying, don’t hold your breath for that to happen soon, even if it happens, don’t expect it to have much traction.

The agreement calls for a “significantly higher” monthly fee to use the new DirecTiVo DVR. The latest DirecTV CE program has made their HR series of HD DVRs more pleasant to use, with surprisingly solid MRV, DB and other features you can enjoy already.

TiVo just slashed the prices on their own HD DVRs. I will not be surprised if they put out some bad quarterly numbers next week. DirecTV will not be there to the rescue. TiVo can really use some help from Charlie.

But as I said before, making a deal Charlie cannot refuse is a very tall order to fill.

Tivo needs more help from the courts to achieve a monopoly in the DVR marketplace.

[jacmyoung]

Originally Posted by Jhon69

Tivo needs more help from the courts to achieve a monopoly in the DVR marketplace.

No, TiVo knew very well they couldn't have a monopoly in the DVR market, they just wanted DVR makers to give them a small cut. They picked one of them to show what could happen if they did not agree to pay. Normally it should have worked.

Except they picked the wrong guy. That is all there is to it.

[jacmyoung]

Do you guys know what I really want to see?

I’d like to see E* quickly wrap up the beta test for the second round of the design around, and ask Judge Folsom to approve it for national implementation ASAP.

Wouldn’t it be fun to see how Judge Folsom and TiVo react to that?

[harsh]

Originally Posted by jacmyoung

The agreement calls for a “significantly higher” monthly fee to use the new DirecTiVo DVR.

What "agreement" is that?

From what I understand of the current deal, $2/month would be a significantly higher fee.

[Curtis52]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/EchoSt....html?x=0&.v=1

EchoStar CEO Charles Ergen steps down from position, succeeded by board member Michael Dugan



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- EchoStar Corp. said Wednesday that President and CEO Charles Ergen has stepped down from those posts and is being succeeded by board member Michael T. Dugan.


Ergen will stay on as the satellite service and TV equipment company's chairman and also serves as CEO of Dish Network Corp.


Dugan served as EchoStar's president and chief operating officer from 1990 to 2004, which was prior to its separation from Dish Network in January 2008.

[jacmyoung]

Originally Posted by harsh

What "agreement" is that?

From what I understand of the current deal, $2/month would be a significantly higher fee.

Of course. Why would any DirecTV subs want to pay a significantly higher fee when their HR DVRs are making all the nice improvement already?

[jacmyoung]

Originally Posted by Curtis52

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/EchoSt....html?x=0&.v=1

EchoStar CEO Charles Ergen steps down from position, succeeded by board member Michael Dugan



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- EchoStar Corp. said Wednesday that President and CEO Charles Ergen has stepped down from those posts and is being succeeded by board member Michael T. Dugan.


Ergen will stay on as the satellite service and TV equipment company's chairman and also serves as CEO of Dish Network Corp.


Dugan served as EchoStar's president and chief operating officer from 1990 to 2004, which was prior to its separation from Dish Network in January 2008.

What happened? The E* stockholders mad at Charlie for not giving them a special $2 dividend?

[deaincaelo]

Originally Posted by jacmyoung

I don't know about HTPCs, but VCRs do not use "start code detection and indexing method", therefore they use different processes than the TiVo's.

Likewise, the E* new software does not use "start code detection and indexing" so it is also different than the TiVo's. Just ask the PTO examiners.

but none of that is in the standing claim. The only things in the claim are input, source, transform, sink, control, output, and buffers (am I missing one?)

[jacmyoung]

Originally Posted by deaincaelo

but none of that is in the standing claim. The only things in the claim are input, source, transform, sink, control, output, and buffers (am I missing one?)

You are missing the patent specification and the PTO prosecution history of the patent. The same mistake made by Judge Folsom

[jacmyoung]

TiVo filed another request to Judge Folsom to delay the filing of the attorney fees and costs. If only I can get a nickle every time TiVo files this thing every two weeks...