DIRECTV Still Lying About HDTV according to TVPredictions.com

[wildbill129]

Why is it a dead horse? Why should people just accept what DirecTV does? It's not okay to critique the DirecTV's business model?

Personally, I don't think DirecTV ever intended to go this long without new HD programming. Something happened during the production of D12 that slowed down the launch. Timing is everything, and the timing got screwed up somewhere....

[Doug Brott]

Originally Posted by wildbill129

Why is it a dead horse? Why should people just accept what DirecTV does? It's not okay to critique the DirecTV's business model?

Personally, I don't think DirecTV ever intended to go this long without new HD programming. Something happened during the production of D12 that slowed down the launch. Timing is everything, and the timing got screwed up somewhere....

D12 was originally an on-ground SPARE for D10 & D11. Once those two made it up successfully I think plans changed, so I wouldn't exactly term it a "screw up."

[harsh]

Originally Posted by wildbill129

Why is it a dead horse? Why should people just accept what DirecTV does? It's not okay to critique the DirecTV's business model?

A dead horse is something that has been discussed more or less beyond its logical conclusion and there is evidence to support the idea that it is past the point of anyone being able to do anything about it.

Understanding what happened and offering suggestions future policy/planning isn't out of the question, but it does require knowing what DIRECTV's goals are (or aren't).

I'd like to think the current slowdown is due in large part to DIRECTV seeing some benefit (either in financial terms or goodwill with ILS and/or the community of organizations who maintain satellites) in giving up their launch spot to Eutelsat and that's why significant new additions are further away than hoped.

Then again, maybe Boeing is really that far behind schedule...

[Sixto]

Hadn't looked in here in a while ...

Seems that for any valid debate, you first need to define what you're debating. Also, any time you're debating "best" or "leader", it's all relative to a specific individual's needs and preferences, unless you're debating a specific advertisement with specific defined criteria.

Personally, after careful analysis, for this household, DirecTV graded out as being the HD "leader". Still does. It was based on evaluating HD channel availability for the content we find important, evaluating the HD technology used to receive and view that content, and understanding each provider's desire to differentiate themselves, while also understanding their vision for the future. Price was a secondary priority.

IMHO, DirecTV provided an HD vision for the future, and then executed, pure and simple. Everyone else needed to play catch-up.

Now we just enter the next phase.

Also, "creativity" can be very important, to proving that you are a leader. DirecTV was first to provide massive out-of-market RSN's in HD, mix channels in HD, major Sports/Political events (Golf, Tennis, 2008 Election, ...) in HD with mix channels, major Sports packages (MLB EI, NFL, ...) in HD. There's a long list of DirecTV's creative use of the bandwidth, while others just seem to be playing in the old world of channel counts.

Sure, on any given day, someone else might have the lead in channel count, but I decided a few years ago, to select the provider who had a clear HD vision and was executing on that vision ... in other words, a leader.

[aa9vi]

Originally Posted by wildbill129

Why is it a dead horse? Why should people just accept what DirecTV does? It's not okay to critique the DirecTV's business model?

That is not tolerated very well on this forum. Agreement and support of the current business model gets you a job at DirecTV.

[Doug Brott]

Originally Posted by aa9vi

That is not tolerated very well on this forum. Agreement and support of the current business model gets you a job at DirecTV.

[mobandit]

Originally Posted by harsh

A dead horse is something that has been discussed more or less beyond its logical conclusion and there is evidence to support the idea that it is past the point of anyone being able to do anything about it.

Understanding what happened and offering suggestions future policy/planning isn't out of the question, but it does require knowing what DIRECTV's goals are (or aren't).

I'd like to think the current slowdown is due in large part to DIRECTV seeing some benefit (either in financial terms or goodwill with ILS and/or the community of organizations who maintain satellites) in giving up their launch spot to Eutelsat and that's why significant new additions are further away than hoped.

Then again, maybe Boeing is really that far behind schedule...

In reality, we on this forum are all beyond being able to do something about it. We can voice whatever opinions we might hold, but in the end ongoing debate such as this is rather pointless. The horse was dead before we started beating it...

[dhines]

Originally Posted by lovswr

I grew up in Dayton. Jerry Rice pushed off! 'Nuff said.

i grew up in southern california, and if it wasn't for the wicked cold . . . cincy would have never got there

lol

[gregjones]

Originally Posted by aa9vi

That is not tolerated very well on this forum. Agreement and support of the current business model gets you a job at DirecTV.

Bitter much? Really, let's go a bit beyond the petty bickering.

[Grydlok]

Originally Posted by aa9vi

That is not tolerated very well on this forum. Agreement and support of the current business model gets you a job at DirecTV.

I got a good chuckle out of that one

[hancox]

Originally Posted by Grydlok

I got a good chuckle out of that one

agreed - well done!

[tcusta00]

You guys aren't paying attention if you think the mods (or anyone else) don't criticize DirecTV's business practices, where appropriate. Stop being petty.

[Paul Secic]

Originally Posted by Barcthespark

"Washington, D.C. (November 1, 2009) -- DIRECTV, which was once the undisputed HDTV leader among U.S. TV providers, has added just a handful of new high-def channels during the past 18 months. In fact, some providers now offer more HD channels than the nation's top satellite service.

So, how does DIRECTV hide this fact in its marketing campaigns? And, how does it still claim to be the nation's HD leader?

Lie, of course."

To read the rest of the story go to http://www.tvpredictions.com/dlying110109.htm

Swammi streches the truth..............

[gregjones]

Originally Posted by Paul Secic

Swammi streches the truth..............

This would imply that he handles the truth at some point.

[bobcamp1]

LOL...the new commercials say that soon (not now, and assumes launch goes well) they'll have the capability (but maybe no deals in place) to have over 200 HD channels. He says it really fast. I only paid attention to his exact words because of this thread.

[harsh]

Here's one for the record books:

During the showing of WWII in HD this evening on The History Channel, a featured sponsor ad claimed that DIRECTV delivered "theater quality picture and sound on all channels". They said it twice or I would have thought I was hearing things.

OOF.

[HerntDawg]

Originally Posted by Sixto

Hadn't looked in here in a while ...

Seems that for any valid debate, you first need to define what you're debating. Also, any time you're debating "best" or "leader", it's all relative to a specific individual's needs and preferences, unless you're debating a specific advertisement with specific defined criteria.

Personally, after careful analysis, for this household, DirecTV graded out as being the HD "leader". Still does. It was based on evaluating HD channel availability for the content we find important, evaluating the HD technology used to receive and view that content, and understanding each provider's desire to differentiate themselves, while also understanding their vision for the future. Price was a secondary priority.

IMHO, DirecTV provided an HD vision for the future, and then executed, pure and simple. Everyone else needed to play catch-up.

Now we just enter the next phase.

Also, "creativity" can be very important, to proving that you are a leader. DirecTV was first to provide massive out-of-market RSN's in HD, mix channels in HD, major Sports/Political events (Golf, Tennis, 2008 Election, ...) in HD with mix channels, major Sports packages (MLB EI, NFL, ...) in HD. There's a long list of DirecTV's creative use of the bandwidth, while others just seem to be playing in the old world of channel counts.

Sure, on any given day, someone else might have the lead in channel count, but I decided a few years ago, to select the provider who had a clear HD vision and was executing on that vision ... in other words, a leader.

Well said.

[harsh]

Originally Posted by HerntDawg

Well said.

Even if it is just more ad copy.

It doesn't sound like there was much of a critical comparison made. Just hit some sports-centric high points and hope nobody notices the absence of actual comparisons to the alternatives.

[hdtvfan0001]

Originally Posted by harsh

Even if it is just more ad copy.

It doesn't sound like there was much of a critical comparison made. Just hit some sports-centric high points and hope nobody notices the absence of actual comparisons to the alternatives.

...or as Dish people call it....an unnecessary truth....

[Sixto]

Originally Posted by harsh

Even if it is just more ad copy.

It doesn't sound like there was much of a critical comparison made. Just hit some sports-centric high points and hope nobody notices the absence of actual comparisons to the alternatives.

Bring it on.

[Tom_S]

Well, all I know is I just called both of DirecTV's competitors in my area, Dishnetwork and Cablevision. Of the two, cablevisions offer would save me the most money(for the first two years anyway) and then blow past that, all for less channels(although I would get on-demand FWIW). The deal from Dish was lousy, I said that I am curently a DirecTV subscriber looking to switch, the best I got was $40 off for three months, some different channels here and there but not compelling(no YES network, I forgot they still hold out on that, that's a dealbreaker).

For me in my little town DirecTV is still the best.

[itguy05]

Originally Posted by harsh

During the showing of WWII in HD this evening on The History Channel, a featured sponsor ad claimed that DIRECTV delivered "theater quality picture and sound on all channels". They said it twice or I would have thought I was hearing things.

Well, I did go see a movie not too long ago and it was out of focus and a little dim, so maybe that's what he was referring to.

[CJTE]

Originally Posted by Doug Brott

Was that an 'I dont know what he's talking about' shrug?
or an 'That just about sums it up (jokingly)' shrug?