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Single 2 TB drive - WD20EADS
Not sure how soon it will be released, but who wants to be the first to fill up 2 TB or maybe 4 TB in a RAID? It is supposed to be a Green Power drive based on part number.
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01-27-09, 04:08 PM
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I have already notified BUY.COM to Notify me when they get it in stock so I can put it in my HR23-700 and then add 2 to my RAID Configuration with the External Drive Enclosure that I have hooked up to my HR21-700.
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01-27-09, 04:16 PM
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Already being discussed here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=150986
(including expectations that richierich would be the first to have one...) 
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01-27-09, 04:48 PM
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Is there ever such a thing as TOO MUCH recording capacity?!?
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01-27-09, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
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I DON'T THINK SO!!! 
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01-27-09, 05:10 PM
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Quote:
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Is there ever such a thing as TOO MUCH recording capacity?!?
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Ranks right up there with TOO MANY HD Channels...of course not.
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01-27-09, 05:16 PM
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Awesome capacity. I wonder how long it will take to format that puppy? /steve
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01-27-09, 07:26 PM
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Not Very Long!!! Just Set It And Forget It!!!
Or is that for my Rotisserie Chicken Thingie I Just Bought!!!
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01-27-09, 07:35 PM
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Not Very Long!!! Just Set It And Forget It!!!
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You mean start it and then go to sleep!
All kidding aside, does anyone know how safe it is to rely on factory pre-formatting for these things? Whenever I start using a new drive, I'm still in the habit of doing my own format, the way I was taught to do it way back when I bought my first 10 or 20 meg hard drive. I thought I was in hog heaven back then, because it was such a huge step-up over 360k floppies!
Actually the first "home" (i.e., small form factor) hard drive I ever saw, but couldn't afford to buy, was a 5 mb external that Apple was selling for the IIe. I think it went for something like $3000 (in the '70's!), and the only place to get it in NY was the McGraw-Hill bookstore. That was also the place you could buy the first Texas Instrument hand-held calculators, for something like $200-$300, depending on the functions! Who remembers RPN? /steve
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01-27-09, 07:35 PM
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Think maybe if you have to install that monster(2TB) you should start buying your programming on DVD,think it will last longer.  |
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01-27-09, 08:42 PM
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I think "Formatting" the New Drive on your PC is alot better than Formatting it on your DVR but then some other folks have said that it is a Different Formatting Process so I just don't know but I did Format my drives for my External Enclosure and it worked like a CHARM!!!
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01-27-09, 08:55 PM
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"Format" means two different things:
1) preparing for an OS use
2) low level laying down of the sectors and blocks, typically verifying everything.
Drives now come with the low level format done. That is the part we "used" to do with the format on an MFM drive, long time ago. And takes a long time.
So preparing for an OS can be very quick depending on how many data structures the drive needs to have. A raw linux partition can be darn near instantaneous for any sized partition. 
Cheers,
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01-28-09, 12:44 AM
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When I installed my WD 1TB eSATA drive (Antec MX1 enclosure), the DVR formatted the drive very quickly. I was very suprised. It must not take very long to set up a drive for the DVR's file system.
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01-28-09, 06:25 AM
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Quote:
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When I installed my WD 1TB eSATA drive (Antec MX1 enclosure), the DVR formatted the drive very quickly. I was very suprised. It must not take very long to set up a drive for the DVR's file system.
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Ya. I was thinking in terms of preparing it for use in a PC. Regular Windows format, as opposed to Windows "quick" format). /steve
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Quote:
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When I installed my WD 1TB eSATA drive (Antec MX1 enclosure), the DVR formatted the drive very quickly. I was very suprised. It must not take very long to set up a drive for the DVR's file system.
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In fact other posters have posted that when it Formats it is so Fast that they have been led to believe that it really didn't Format the Drive because they were thinking in terms of a low level format.
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01-28-09, 01:09 PM
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The answer, my friend, is in my signature. ;-)
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01-28-09, 03:35 PM
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I always run the manufacturers diagnostic FULL TEST before using a new drive. I have found a few drives over the years that failed on this initial test. At least it tests every block on the platters. No promise of a solid drive but like I said, I have had brand new drives fail the surface test.
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What did you do when you found a drive that failed the test?
Does it FLAG bad sectors so they are not used in the Future?
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I would think that being based on Linux, it does all the same things that any Linux OS does when bad sectors are discovered.
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What did you do when you found a drive that failed the test?
Does it FLAG bad sectors so they are not used in the Future?
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I took them back to the store and exchanged them or had the manufacturer replace them.. It is SUPPOSED to flag and remap any bad sections. I figure if it has media problems out of the box, I don't want it.
The majority of drives I have purchased have passed with flying colors. I may have tested 30 or 40 new drives over the past 10 years and had maybe 5 that failed out of the box. |
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How do you run that test?
Also, does anyone know where I can pre-order this drive?
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How do you run that test?
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Not sure about this one, but most drives I've purchased came with a utilities disk that contained low-level diagnostics. /steve
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From reading this thread images of Tim Allen and a monster DVR with fans and HDDs galore come to mind .
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I've always liked a software program called Spinrite for lowlevel HD diags.
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I've used SpinRite since I bought my first HR10-250 on April 12, 2004 and it works great. I completely forgot all about it but I used it to remove bad sectors after I started having problems with pixellation and macro blocking and slowing down and sluggish remote commands.
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