DTV Switchover-dish had to fix some channels, report your TV DMA's issues here

[Willh]

as you know today is the day the Analog signals go to their graves. and Digital become the US TV standard for Local TV channels. and the Dallas-Ft. Worth market the switchover has happen to all but one channel. all the locals except 33 flip the switch to kill the power on the analog signal at noon while 33 did it early at 8 am, and KERA will kill it at around midnight. anyway, i noticed that Dish was not fully prepared as some the locals went missing or were in the wrong place.

note these were at 12:30 PM CDT
these channels with problems are
WFAA 8-missing, with KFWD 52 on 8
KFWD 52-missing on 52, on 8 instead
KTVT 11-missing, with KTXA 21 on 11
KTXA 21-missing on 21, on 11 instead.

anyway as of 12:57 the only local channel still missing is KTVT 11, with 21 still on it, which KTXA is back on 21, KFWD 52 is back on 52, and WFAA 8 is back on Dish Network, so this issue is being fixed as i type, so 11 will be the last one fixed. i don't know about KDFW 4, KXAS 5, KUVN 23, KODF 26, KDFI 27, KMPX 29, KDAF 33, KXTX 39, KTAQ 47, KSTR 49, and KLDT 55 and KPXD were unaffected of messed up at 12:00 PM or earlier at 8:00 AM with KDAF as i got up at 12:30 PM

and as of 1:04 PM CDT, KTVT 11 has returned to 11. so the locals are all fixed expect KERA as they are not switching until 11:59 PM tonight, so they are not screwed up now, but will be after midnight for a while.

so for all dish customers who are getting locals channels in you respected TV DMA market, report your DTV switchover issues as in did dish experienced some channels missing or out of whack for a while or are out or whack/missing at the moment.

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by Willh

... anyway, i noticed that Dish was not fully prepared as some the locals went missing or were in the wrong place.
...

I trust that you re-scanned the OTA stations.

[jerry downing]

Chicago's channel 7 went to a pink screen on Dish at noon and hosed my wife's soap opera for a half hour. She can pick it up on soapnet tonight.

[tkrandall]

Originally Posted by SaltiDawg

I trust that you re-scanned the OTA stations.

Right. Doesn't Dish have you do OTA scan (as opposed to DirecTV which does not have OTA scanning, but rather pushes OTA channel info to your reciever based on Tribune media info for your location)

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by tkrandall

Right. Doesn't Dish have you do OTA scan (as opposed to DirecTV which does not have OTA scanning, but rather pushes OTA channel info to your reciever based on Tribune media info for your location)

Yes, with Dish you do an OTA Scan.

I'm in the DC DMA and this afternoon my Ch7 and CH9 OTA digital channels were gone. Dis a Scan and voila they were there. That's not a Dish issue, it's simply that today these two channels went to the UHF and VHF channels that they will permanently broadcast on.

[wreck]

Originally Posted by Willh

as you know today is the day the Analog signals go to their graves. and Digital become the US TV standard for Local TV channels. and the Dallas-Ft. Worth market the switchover has happen to all but one channel. all the locals except 33 flip the switch to kill the power on the analog signal at noon while 33 did it early at 8 am, and KERA will kill it at around midnight. anyway, i noticed that Dish was not fully prepared as some the locals went missing or were in the wrong place.

note these were at 12:30 PM CDT
these channels with problems are
WFAA 8-missing, with KFWD 52 on 8
KFWD 52-missing on 52, on 8 instead
KTVT 11-missing, with KTXA 21 on 11
KTXA 21-missing on 21, on 11 instead.

anyway as of 12:57 the only local channel still missing is KTVT 11, with 21 still on it, which KTXA is back on 21, KFWD 52 is back on 52, and WFAA 8 is back on Dish Network, so this issue is being fixed as i type, so 11 will be the last one fixed. i don't know about KDFW 4, KXAS 5, KUVN 23, KODF 26, KDFI 27, KMPX 29, KDAF 33, KXTX 39, KTAQ 47, KSTR 49, and KLDT 55 and KPXD were unaffected of messed up at 12:00 PM or earlier at 8:00 AM with KDAF as i got up at 12:30 PM

and as of 1:04 PM CDT, KTVT 11 has returned to 11. so the locals are all fixed expect KERA as they are not switching until 11:59 PM tonight, so they are not screwed up now, but will be after midnight for a while.

so for all dish customers who are getting locals channels in you respected TV DMA market, report your DTV switchover issues as in did dish experienced some channels missing or out of whack for a while or are out or whack/missing at the moment.

I'm in Dallas as well. When I got home, I did a new OTA scan. I'm getting everything but KTVT 11. The scan picked it up, but it is too weak to come in (this USED to be the strongest OTA digital!!) I'm most excited about KDFI 27 and KTXA 21! These are only HD OTA (not on Dish) -- they broadcast the Rangers and Mavericks games. Before the switch their signal was dicey -- now they are both very strong!!

[jclewter79]

KTVT 11 has moved to digital channel 11 from a UHF channel so is probably will cause some problems for some people. WFAA moved from digital 9 to digital 8 so if you used to get it you should be able get still get it with a rescan.

[Willh]

yes i should had mentioned this is the Dish network's feed and not the OTA i'm taking about btw, anyway all is well now, it was fixed by 1:15 PM after the locals went DTV only at noon CDT. how ever i did do a rescan on the converter boxes.

[slatterie]

Originally Posted by Willh

as you know today is the day the Analog signals go to their graves. and Digital become the US TV standard for Local TV channels. and the Dallas-Ft. Worth market the switchover has happen to all but one channel. all the locals except 33 flip the switch to kill the power on the analog signal at noon while 33 did it early at 8 am, and KERA will kill it at around midnight. anyway, i noticed that Dish was not fully prepared as some the locals went missing or were in the wrong place.

note these were at 12:30 PM CDT
these channels with problems are
WFAA 8-missing, with KFWD 52 on 8
KFWD 52-missing on 52, on 8 instead
KTVT 11-missing, with KTXA 21 on 11
KTXA 21-missing on 21, on 11 instead.

anyway as of 12:57 the only local channel still missing is KTVT 11, with 21 still on it, which KTXA is back on 21, KFWD 52 is back on 52, and WFAA 8 is back on Dish Network, so this issue is being fixed as i type, so 11 will be the last one fixed. i don't know about KDFW 4, KXAS 5, KUVN 23, KODF 26, KDFI 27, KMPX 29, KDAF 33, KXTX 39, KTAQ 47, KSTR 49, and KLDT 55 and KPXD were unaffected of messed up at 12:00 PM or earlier at 8:00 AM with KDAF as i got up at 12:30 PM

and as of 1:04 PM CDT, KTVT 11 has returned to 11. so the locals are all fixed expect KERA as they are not switching until 11:59 PM tonight, so they are not screwed up now, but will be after midnight for a while.

so for all dish customers who are getting locals channels in you respected TV DMA market, report your DTV switchover issues as in did dish experienced some channels missing or out of whack for a while or are out or whack/missing at the moment.

Well I am northeast of Dallas (McKinney) and after rescanning multiple times, deleting and rescanning again I have LESS channels than I did before. I was never able to get WFAA and still dont. Its 11pm CST and I now only have 5 channels - KDFW 4 (but not 4.2 the weather radar), KXAS 5 (all 3), KERA 13 and that is it. I used to get Channels 52, 21 (sometimes), 27 (sometimes) and 33. Even our other TV (computer monitor with digital converter box and antenna) got everything and now only has about 60% of what was there.

I thought since the switch the signals were to be stronger, but they appear to be weaker.

[dlt]

As of midnight, WGAL tv 8 nbc, WHP cbs 21 in Harrisburg market pink screen showing

[wreck]

Originally Posted by slatterie

Well I am northeast of Dallas (McKinney) and after rescanning multiple times, deleting and rescanning again I have LESS channels than I did before. I was never able to get WFAA and still dont. Its 11pm CST and I now only have 5 channels - KDFW 4 (but not 4.2 the weather radar), KXAS 5 (all 3), KERA 13 and that is it. I used to get Channels 52, 21 (sometimes), 27 (sometimes) and 33. Even our other TV (computer monitor with digital converter box and antenna) got everything and now only has about 60% of what was there.

I thought since the switch the signals were to be stronger, but they appear to be weaker.

You are a good 50 miles from the antenna farm. You are probably going to need at least an attic antenna. Try it again on Saturday .... my channels got even stronger after midnight when they finally ended their dual broadcasting in analog and digital.

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by Willh

yes i should had mentioned this is the Dish network's feed and not the OTA i'm taking about btw, anyway all is well now, it was fixed by 1:15 PM after the locals went DTV only at noon CDT. how ever i did do a rescan on the converter boxes.

So you had no problems with Dish after the transition?

[sasserfolk]

Since the switch I can't pick up WALB Albany, Ga. on my DTV box. Their transmitter is about 40 miles away, however I can pick up stations in Tallahassee, Fl and Columbus, Ga both much further away. I have a Zenith box with a roof top antenna on one TV and a DTV Pal with powered rabbit ears on the other. Any thoughts?

[harsh]

Originally Posted by sasserfolk

Since the switch I can't pick up WALB Albany, Ga. on my DTV box.

First you need to verify that WALB is up and running. If they are, you need to check to see if they changed frequencies. If the frequency changed, you need to see if your antennae perform in the frequency range and check to see that they didn't move the broadcast antenna.

40 miles may be a lot to ask of rabbit ears (amplfied or not) in the higher frequency bands.

[jsk]

I saw a lot of retailers selling UHF only antennas as HDTV antennas and now many of the people who bought them will have to buy new antennas.

The FCC has maps of all of the TV stations coverage patterns before and after the transition at http://www.fcc.gov/bureaus/mb/engineering/maps. Just enter your zip code and you can click on the station that you want to check and then click on the Gain/Loss Map.

[sasserfolk]

Originally Posted by harsh

First you need to verify that WALB is up and running. If they are, you need to check to see if they changed frequencies. If the frequency changed, you need to see if your antennae perform in the frequency range and check to see that they didn't move the broadcast antenna.

40 miles may be a lot to ask of rabbit ears (amplfied or not) in the higher frequency bands.

They did switch from digital 17 to digital 10. What I don't understand is how am I able to get stations twice as far away. I am picking up all four network stations from Tallahassee which is about 70 miles away and generally the same direction (south). I still need to verify if they have completed the switch yet.

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by sasserfolk

...What I don't understand is how am I able to get stations twice as far away. ...

I live ~10 miles from Barrack Obama and about 12 miles from each of two towers that carry the four DC networks. Those towers are within 1½ degrees of each other and I have a large chimney mounted antenna with a rotor that allows me to peak the reception strength. Channels 4 and 5 are generally too low a signal to watch. Ch 7 & 9 are consistently strong. Yesterday the strongest station, Ch 9, as part of the transition process dropped its digital transmissions from UHF to VHF. They are no longer strongest.

The antenna web site and the FCC site suggest I should get all four of these station with a very good signal. I cannot remember the address, but another site suggested I would be marginal with two of the channels. That same site predicts my neighbor up the hill from me will get a strong signal. (And they do.)

I guess what I'm suggesting is that the models that tell you that at your street address the signal will be good/bad/fair are sometimes not very accurate because I suspect that they don't take into account the topography between you and the transmitter.

[harsh]

Originally Posted by SaltiDawg

I guess what I'm suggesting is that the models that tell you that at your street address the signal will be good/bad/fair are sometimes not very accurate because I suspect that they don't take into account the topography between you and the transmitter.

If you give the sites accurate information, they do indeed consider the gross topography. They don't contemplate man-made structures and trees and that's where many get wadded up.

[olguy]

No OTA problems for me in far northeast Houston. Had to re-scan but knew that was coming because some of the channels were changing frequency. The only problem I saw was while recording the 6am news on the local ABC affiliate off Dish,not OTA. That channel changed from 32 to 13 at 6:45am. At that point the screen went yellow. Of course, I didn't watch it until 8 or 9 and by then all channels were fine. As I've had the yellow screen in the past I'm not sure it was related. May have been a coinky-dinky

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by harsh

If you give the sites accurate information, they do indeed consider the gross topography. They don't contemplate man-made structures and trees and that's where many get wadded up.

Nope. I gave each of the models street addresses. The FCC and antennaweb models predict excellent reception for all homes in my neighborhood. In fact my street is in a valley and the reception is poor for two of four networks stations. My neighbors on the either side of our valley have excellent reception

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This is predicted by that third model. There are no large man-made structures in my part of the burbs and the notion that it's just the trees on my street between the sorce and my antenna is absurd on the face of it.

[CABill]

Try your address at TVFool.com. I get different results for other addresses that aren't far away from me.

http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?opti...id=13&Itemid=1

[harsh]

Originally Posted by SaltiDawg

Nope. I gave each of the models street addresses. The FCC and antennaweb models predict excellent reception for all homes in my neighborhood. In fact my street is in a valley and the reception is poor for two of four networks stations. My neighbors on the either side of our valley have excellent reception

That's why I used the term "gross topography". They don't necessarily account for gullies and swails.

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by CABill

Try your address at TVFool.com. I get different results for other addresses that aren't far away from me.

http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?opti...id=13&Itemid=1

CABill,

Thanks. This is the site that I found to accurately reflect differences in predicted reception quality based on differences in location of only two blocks. In my case, it predicts that homes up the hill from me will receive a stronger signal from the DC stations than I will located in a valley. The other models do not predict any difference in received signal quality.

[SaltiDawg]

Originally Posted by harsh

That's why I used the term "gross topography". They don't necessarily account for gullies and swails.

No one has mentioned "gullies" nor "swails. (sic)" lol