Retailer Chat - Nov 25, 2003

Darkman · 11-25-03, 11:34 AM

Today's Retailer Chat.. Few details for now (maybe more later) :

Dec Dish 500 local launches (no definate dates yet):
Dish 500 Targetted Markets:
Bakersfield, CA
Grand Junction, CO
Hartford and New Haven, CT
Sherman, TX - Ada, OK (or i think it was Sherman anyhow - would have to double-check)

Wow..lots of info ... can't keep up... Wow!!!

105 Dec Launches:
Dec 4 - Dayton, OH
Dec, Fr. Smith (no definate date yet)

OK - Important info!!!!!!!!! below:

Springfield locals are moving to Dish 500 (from 105), Effective - Nov 26 ( i think.. i hope i heard it correctly)... Missing NBC + Fox for now...

OK - here is the Biggie!!!!! - New decision by DISHnet - Locals at 121 !!!!!!!!!

(cuz 121 signal is strong and available to all USA)

cuz of that - 4 present 105 locals are moving to 121 !!!!!!!!!

Only 4 cities effected:

Albany
Boisse
Missula (i think.. not even sure now)
Madisson

Here is the scoop - those will be simulcasting now at both 105 and 121 locations.. and later when all are switched to 121 - will leave 105!!!

Installers/Dealers to continue 105 installations for those till Dec 8 (i think)
At that date, inventory of 121 SuperDishes will be available and new Installs for those locals will be done at 121 with 121's superDish...

On Dec 8 also - will be in stock - some assembly - "swap out feeds" (or something) to convirt current 105 local customers to 121 (for those 4 effected cities)

Now!!!!! - cuz 121 will have locals now - Future locals to go to 121 location:

Flint - Dec 11
Millwaukie - Dec 11
Lansing - Dec 18
Green Bay - no definate date yet - but will go to 121 (not sure now - but i think December)
Traverse city (?? - not 100% sure now but i think it's the one) - no definate date yet - but will go to 121 (not sure now - but i think December)

Hehe - commercial now - "Stop Feeding the Pig" - New television ads, Print ads, Radio Scripts - to Stop Feeding the Pig .. Cable i guess

In January 2004 - no definate date yet - Deluth's locals will be launched.. at Dish 500

I think at this point will become 101 Locals launched!!!!!!!!!!!

Darkman · 11-25-03, 11:41 AM

IMPORTANT:

I think HD is moving to 110 .. and maybe some would be still at 61.5 and 148... but i think they will not be at 105...

I think for now - 105 will be locals only
and 121 - Internationals and locals..

811 - can order Dec 1 - i think will be $399 / $599 (if SuperDish is needed)

921 i think coming soon too (in Limited quantities for starters)
Wholesale price - Will not mention
Suggested Retail price - $999

"FREE DISH" promo coming with Commitment - $500 dollars OFF!!!!!
The Bundle package (that includes HD Television)
Without this promo - $1499, with this promo and commitment - i think will be $999
Same deal, but will include 921 model instead:
The Bundle package (that includes HD Television)
Without this promo - $1999, with this promo and commitment - i think will be $1499

Darkman · 11-25-03, 11:49 AM

DISH do not forsee - 50 HD channels in near future...
They are just not around

They think though - around 10 or 20 HD channels - they ll be able to do at Dish 500

If at a future date (who knows when) will be Much More then 20 HD channels around, then obviously some sort of new configuration would be required (new setup)... to get those..

But WILL NOT happen any time soon...

However if anyone wants (is willing to) install Both setups NOW (Dish 500 and a SuperDISH i guess) - they are Welcome to do so

Darkman · 11-25-03, 11:54 AM

Sorry - but may i add

- Very, very interesting and unique Retailer Chat today!!!!!

JBKing · 11-25-03, 12:09 PM

Thanks for the info, Darkman.

No Evansville?

Darkman · 11-25-03, 12:14 PM

Next Retailer Chat - Dec 16 - 2003, 12 NOON Eastern time

Next Charlie Chat - Dec 8, 9 P.M. - Eastern time

P.S. - Charlie said at the end - "Do you realize starting this holiday week, it's 23 years Me and Jim are doing this, .. 23 years ago - we put up the First system... - It's been quite a RIDE!!!"

Darkman · 11-25-03, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBKing

Thanks for the info, Darkman.

No Evansville?

None that i recall mentioned..
Unless i missed it.. (was too much info.. and they were talking fast)
Will have to check later again...

**Chris Blount** · 11-25-03, 12:22 PM

I would like to publically thank Darkman for taking time out of his busy schedule to post this information. You're da man!

Darkman · 11-25-03, 12:25 PM

Thanks for the kind words of confidence... - LOL - sometimes i try...

jay99 · 11-25-03, 12:27 PM

With all the changes, if I was scheduled for a Superdish install next week to get locals (Baltimore), it sounds like it should go on as planned?

Thanks,

Jay

Matt Stevens · 11-25-03, 12:38 PM

921 first week of December. TOLD YOU! Yoohoo!!!!

Darkman · 11-25-03, 12:42 PM

Chattanooga, TN - at 105 sat - Launching Nov 25, 2003

**Chris Blount** · 11-25-03, 01:16 PM

Wow! HD channels moving to 110. Now that begs the question, is there enough bandwidth at 110 to handle most of the HD channels? Will PQ suffer?

Cyclone · 11-25-03, 01:16 PM

So much for hopes of East and West feeds of HBO-HD, and SHO-HD.

John Corn · 11-25-03, 01:20 PM

Doesn't seem to me they will add many more HD channels, how will they generate room at 110?

jlhugh · 11-25-03, 01:42 PM

I bet they start moving locals off of 110 to make room for the HD. People with HD will put up a OTA so they can get their HD locals anyway. Looks like the Superdish is going to be on hold for awhile.

TonyM · 11-25-03, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkman

In January 2004 - no definate date yet - Deluth's locals will be launched.. at Dish 500

WOOO HOOO!! Duluth, MN is coming January...TO DISH500!!!!!!!

"Hello, Dish Network..I need to change my service address"

Darkman, even though you spelled it wrong...You just made my day! I was hoping for Duluth locals for a while and when they were going to go to SuperDish I was mad because you couldnt "move" with a SD...Then when they dropped off the radar (due to MN not being in the footprint) I was downright p***ed. Now I'm happy.

Thank You Charlie for making my Christmas!! Now I can just hope they are up right at the beginning of January.

John Corn · 11-25-03, 01:56 PM

If they move locals off 110, then Dish is going to force people to upgrade to Superdish?......I can't see that working.

There really isn't alot of HD OTA available.

forklifter · 11-25-03, 02:02 PM

Do I understand this Are all locals moving to 121 or just the new ones that are going up in the next few weeks

sorahl · 11-25-03, 02:40 PM

Sigh, he asks knowing the answer to be negative
"Anything on the 522 at all??"

John

Darkman · 11-25-03, 02:40 PM

forklifter,
those are moving from 105 to 121 only:
Only 4 cities effected:

Albany
Boisse
Missula (i think.. not even sure now)
Madisson

Upcoming new ones for 121 location:
Future locals to go to 121 location:

Flint - Dec 11
Millwaukie - Dec 11
Lansing - Dec 18
Green Bay - no definate date yet - but will go to 121 (not sure now - but i think December)
Traverse city (?? - not 100% sure now but i think it's the one) - no definate date yet - but will go to 121 (not sure now - but i think December)

ehren · 11-25-03, 02:58 PM

Madison WI at 121. NOW I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TREES IN THE WAY FOR 121! Now this in addition to...

A) roof mount not reccomended.
B) Pole install ain't gonna work for my situation
C) Who the hell knows where a wall mount may work. Putting Duluth on 110 and not Madison on 110? They already have Madison WI folks waiting 1 to 2 months for installs when they launched November 6th meanwhile retailers don't even have an order for the SuperDishes and people are on waiting lists exceeding 10's to 100's of people!!!

Talk about backed up! Can this get any worse?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Darkman · 11-25-03, 03:07 PM

I guess they just can't make EVERYONE happy

lol - physically impossible..

There' ll always be someone out there with a seemingly "short end of this stick"

as they say - for "different folks - different strokes are needed often" ))))

ehren · 11-25-03, 03:17 PM

I just called my retailer and he is PISSED! His direct words were "double-hell" LOL. He now has to send all the Superdish LNBs back and get the 121 ones now. He also was stating how if the SuperDish is just bumped an inch the 105 signal goes out. He tried a couple of test installations already and is really fustrated. I told him Duluth is gonna go on 110 and I swear I heard some electronic parts being tossed across the room. He's a hoot he's been in the business for 40 years.

Matt Stevens · 11-25-03, 03:19 PM

121 will eventually be filled to the hilt with locals. According to my friend at E* (who I just chatted with) once the Superdish is installed at a substantial number of customer locations, they will start to move content from 110 and 119 over to it. Most likely locals.

BUT... anything can happen/change before then. E* is in serious flux right now in regards to everything.