Has D* Corrected the Repeat/First Run Problems?

[Doug Brott]

The following item has been on the HR20 Wish List for months:

Provide accurate repeat/first run & HD info so the right shows can be recorded p. 47

Has this item been corrected?

If you haven't seen it yet, check out the new HR20 Wish List.

[BigSey]

I actually noticed that it's been working pretty well for me. No more recording obvious repeats and I've never had an issue with not recording first runs. I'm on 13d, btw.

[Stuart Sweet]

Yes, the HR20 gets it as right as the guide data lets it.

[RunnerFL]

As lamontcranston says, as long as the guide data is right.

It's not the HR20's fault if the guide data doesn't label it as a repeat and if it's not labeled as a repeat there's only one other option, "first run", so it's recorded.

[lwilli201]

This data is part of the guide data. That is furnished by Tribune Media. That said, first run/rerun is only an issue with the network programming and a few channels that have original content. Other wise, everything is a rerun. Tribune can only include data provided by the content providers. I do not think Tribune is in any possition to demand better input from the providers.

[Michael D'Angelo]

I have not had a problem with this since September.

[RAD]

Personally, I don't care if it's a guide problem or the HR20, I pay only one company, D*, for service. My HR20's do get a number of shows correct but also get's a number wrong.

[rlnoonan]

I'll have to double check, since no one else seems to have a problem, but I set up the HR20 to record first run only of the Sopranos on A&E (the reruns, not the new ones on HBO). When I checked the prioritizer it showed no upcoming episodes. I have a season pass set up on my Tivo for the same thing (including first run only) and it does show upcoming episodes. So, that seems like a problem to me. I haven't missed any shows yet, since I just created this series link on the HR20 this past Wednesday.

One caveat, I set the season pass on Tivo up a long time ago, while I set up the series link on the same day that I checked the prioritizer. So maybe it just had not "seen" the episodes yet? That's why I mentioned I'll have to double check.

[Milominderbinder2]

For months, my HR20 was not handling first-run vs. repeats correctly. My ages old Sony T60 DVR would get it right every time.

The sad part is who both receivers get their data from the same company:

D*!

It's true both receivers get the Guide from back-channel data on channel 100.

The HR20 garbled it as bad as it was garbling Closed Captioning.

Suddenly about a month ago, I don't know which CE it was, the HR20 got the First Run - Repeat data right.

First Run - Repeat has been fixed ever since for me. So put a fork in it, it's done.

Now the bigger issue still remains. That same back-channel is where the Sony gets all of the actors names, first airing date, and so much more that the HR20 still cannot get. But that is a different bug.

If the transmission on my new car is broken, the maker is responsible. They can't say,

"Oh we buy the transmissions from another company in Kuala Lumpur. Let me give you their number..."

Or worse still,

"All tranmissions on all new models are broken. That is why yours is broken."

(The CSR answer in DORIS for the CIR Bug.)

It does not matter who produced the transmission or guide data. It does not matter if every model you sell is broken. It maters about this one car you sold with known defects.

- Craig

[Milominderbinder2]

Almost 80% so far say they don't have problems...

[armophob]

I will hold my vote until the outcome of this experiment.
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82767

[PoitNarf]

I have noticed an improvement from the past, but shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report still want to record showings throughout the day. I don't mind if the HR20 records a repeat during their normal timeslots, but it's annoying when it wants to record the Daily Show at 8pm. I don't understand why D* can't filter through the data given to them to at least weed out the obvious repeats (Daily Show never has a first run at 2 in the afternoon!!!) At least shows that I have had trouble with before such as Late Nite with Conan no longer have repeat/first run issues.

[loudo]

HR20 is working fine here with all scheduled recordings and not picking up any repeats.

The only time I had any problem was earlier this year with the H10-250, when it wasn't recording right, during the few weeks they were having trouble with the software. One day it would record and the next day we didn't get it. Sure was glad when they fixed that problem.

[armophob]

Originally Posted by PoitNarf

I have noticed an improvement from the past, but shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report still want to record showings throughout the day. I don't mind if the HR20 records a repeat during their normal timeslots, but it's annoying when it wants to record the Daily Show at 8pm. I don't understand why D* can't filter through the data given to them to at least weed out the obvious repeats (Daily Show never has a first run at 2 in the afternoon!!!) At least shows that I have had trouble with before such as Late Nite with Conan no longer have repeat/first run issues.

Or even allow us to police it. In the same manner we select the channel we record the show on, let us say only at 11pm in the series link.
This time slot only/all time slots.

[PoitNarf]

Originally Posted by armophob

Or even allow us to police it. In the same manner we select the channel we record the show on, let us say only at 11pm in the series link.
This time slot only/all time slots.

Not a bad idea.

[mikeinthekeys]

It doesn't matter to me if the problem is in the guide data or with the HR20. The only reliable way to avoid duplications that I have found is to set a manual record for the specific time and channel. That didn't always work, but has been fixed in the last 6 months or so. At first, I couldn't rely on manual recordings to work AT ALL, so it was a big deal. The H10-250 had the same problem, so I was used to using the Manual method. It was maddening that my solution didn't work on the HR20, but now it does work, so now, for me at least, PROBLEM SOLVED!

[armophob]

Originally Posted by armophob

I will hold my vote until the outcome of this experiment.
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82767

Test failed after 5 hours. I am still experimenting, but I vote no. There are still issues, if not only the time it takes to populate the to do list to confirm its working properly.

[alv]

Originally Posted by PoitNarf

I have noticed an improvement from the past, but shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report still want to record showings throughout the day. I don't mind if the HR20 records a repeat during their normal timeslots, but it's annoying when it wants to record the Daily Show at 8pm. I don't understand why D* can't filter through the data given to them to at least weed out the obvious repeats (Daily Show never has a first run at 2 in the afternoon!!!) At least shows that I have had trouble with before such as Late Nite with Conan no longer have repeat/first run issues.

HR10 doesn't do any better with those!!

[BubblePuppy]

I have first-run only for Desperate Housewives and the HR20 recorded this past Sundays showing which was a repeat. So not fixed.

[Doug Brott]

Still 70% in favor or removal. If this rate continues, I will be removing another Missing Promised Feature from the HR20 Wish List.

[lovswr]

Originally Posted by PoitNarf

I have noticed an improvement from the past, but shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report still want to record showings throughout the day. I don't mind if the HR20 records a repeat during their normal timeslots, but it's annoying when it wants to record the Daily Show at 8pm. I don't understand why D* can't filter through the data given to them to at least weed out the obvious repeats (Daily Show never has a first run at 2 in the afternoon!!!) At least shows that I have had trouble with before such as Late Nite with Conan no longer have repeat/first run issues.

You know the DS & the CR have the exact same problem with the Tivos. I think it is not a HR20/Tivo or even D* problem, but rather with the company that feeds the guide.


OT: I was just about to start a new thread about this. I just got my HR20 this past Saturday. Of course one of the main things I want to record is Planet Earth, which premeires this Sunday night on Discovery HD Theater. I set up the series link & the to-do list only showed the first show as being scheduled. However the whole block from 2000 to 2300 are all First time episodes. They repeat several times doing the week , with the next new (first time as wll) episode not coming on until Sunday, 1 APR 07.


I set them up as 4 manual records. However, if I understand what most are saying in this thread, I can just set the series link, & it will get the first 4 shows that I listed above. Even though the to-do list only shows 1 show?

[Stuart Sweet]

Those who say you are still having problems, please confirm:

Is the guide data saying it's a repeat and then it's still recording, or is the guide data incomplete?

There is a known issue where, when setting up a series link for the first time, the episode you select when you are setting up the SL will be recorded even if it's a repeat. Sometimes it will also record repeats within the same day of a restart due to guide data reloading. Is this the case for you?

Are you failing to get first runs or getting repeats when you want only first runs? The first is, IMO, more worrisome than the last.

[MKrehelII]

As I posted in the x134 thread last week with no reponse, since switching from my t-60 last week it's (the HR20) picking up almost all repeat programs when tivo got them mostly right. I finally had to set manuals for many programs the t60 got w/o my help, It's also catching all kinds of repeats daily that the t60 never got and are marked as old in the guide.

My complaint so far in my limited experience with the HR20 is catching repeats, this is not huge BUT... when the to-do is cluttered with obvious dated repeat recording tasks it misses LEGIT (edit: stuff) due to both tuners recording trash that I have to then sift through like junk email at the end of a day, that's a major problem at least for me.

Mike

[DonCorleone]

I've never had a problem

[Earl Bonovich]

Originally Posted by BubblePuppy

I have first-run only for Desperate Housewives and the HR20 recorded this past Sundays showing which was a repeat. So not fixed.

As a data point: Both my HR20's are set to record Desperate Housewives as first run only (as is the R15)... none of the three recorded this weekends episode.

So being that we are in different markets, and have "slightly" different guide data.. .it is possible that is the case.

But then again... The HR20 could by default record an episode if it can not CLEARLY identify it as a repeate or a first run.