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Stop Trying to Turn My DVR into a Tivo


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#1 OFFLINE   mikek

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:28 AM

If I wanted a Tivo I would have bought a Tivo. Stop trying to turn the HR20s/21s into Tivos.

What do you want next? An animated character that records shows that you never requested?

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#2 OFFLINE   say-what

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:28 AM

huh ?????

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:29 AM

Double huh ??

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:29 AM

Hi Mike...can u clarify?

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:37 AM

1. Huh?
2. Feel free to turn my Hr20 into a Tivo.
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#6 OFFLINE   mikek

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:58 AM

It seems like this community is very Tivo-centric. I know most users are former/current Tivo users.

It seems like the features that get added to the HR20s are because former Tivo users demand them.

A couple of examples: Skip to tick is practically worthless, would rather have true skip instead of auto-correction.

If more users were familiar with other DVRs maybe we could get other features that Tivo didn't have.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:59 AM

I'm not Mike but I think I know what he means.

"Animated character"=TiVo mascot
"Records shows that you never requested"=TiVo Suggestions.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:40 AM

Not sure why the OP is complaining. Getting more features is generally ALWAYS going to be better; there is nothing wrong with features that Tivo has. (I'm not sure about the "tick" stuff.... it's not something I use.)

Personally I would like to see the "List" view instead of the "grid" view.

(And don't tell me about the pseudo method that can be used to kind of provide the same functionality. It's too slow and as such is not useful... it requires a button press and pause for every channel change... NOT acceptable.)

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:43 AM

I admittedly haven't really learned many of the HR20 features yet, because it's not on our primary TV.

But there are only two features that I truly miss from Tivo:
1. dual-live-buffers (which I honestly probably use even more than 'record')
2. editing of "channels I receive"

I also wish they'd add more favorite menus, but that has nothing to do with Tivo...
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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:49 AM

But there are only two features that I truly miss from Tivo:

2. editing of "channels I receive"


:confused: Since the edits nerver 'stick' and stuff just keeps getting put back in after you remove it, what's the use?

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:56 AM

What do you want next? An animated character that records shows that you never requested?

-mk


YES, please, I really miss Tivo's suggestions.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 12:52 PM

YES, please, I really miss Tivo's suggestions.


Me too. These turned me on to several new series I watch as well as recording a lot of movies without me having to remember names of the movies or proactively search them out.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:00 PM

I am a former/current Tivo user and when it dies it will be kicked to the curb and replaced with an HRxx and a new HDTV. I like my HR20's.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:00 PM

I agree with the OP. I used Replaytv for years before going to the HR10-250 to get HD. For the 18 months that I used the HR10 I cursed TiVo every day because it was such an inferior product to ReplayTV. Being a software engineer with over 30 years of experience and several with a video compression chip company it has always been my opinion that ReplayTV hired very good engineers and the worlds worst marketing and TiVo did the opposite. The HR20 is orders of magnitude better than the HR10 and I pray that Directv never goes back to TiVo. The only reason I can see that people want TiVo is so they when talking about a program that was on they can say I TiVo'd it instead of using proper English and saying I recorded it.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:07 PM

A couple of examples: Skip to tick is practically worthless, would rather have true skip instead of auto-correction.


Exactly what kind of skip are you looking for?

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:16 PM

Not sure why the OP is complaining. Getting more features is generally ALWAYS going to be better; there is nothing wrong with features that Tivo has. (I'm not sure about the "tick" stuff.... it's not something I use.)

Personally I would like to see the "List" view instead of the "grid" view.

(And don't tell me about the pseudo method that can be used to kind of provide the same functionality. It's too slow and as such is not useful... it requires a button press and pause for every channel change... NOT acceptable.)


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Posted 01 December 2007 - 02:37 PM

Jerseyboy, are the replaytv features that are better than tivo included in the HR20 wish list? You see I want an HR1020 ( best features of Tivo and HR20 and now replaytv). IMHO opinion, which you seem to confirm, we are going backwards, if replaytv was the best, then Tivo, then the HR20 and now the HR21......
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Posted 01 December 2007 - 03:46 PM

It seems like this community is very Tivo-centric. I know most users are former/current Tivo users.

It seems like the features that get added to the HR20s are because former Tivo users demand them.

A couple of examples: Skip to tick is practically worthless, would rather have true skip instead of auto-correction.

If more users were familiar with other DVRs maybe we could get other features that Tivo didn't have.

-mk


Fair observation, many of us are long time DirecTV subscribers who owned DVRs which happened to be Tivos. The Tivo is a fantastic interface. It is extremely user friendly and has helped usher in the DVR. The Tivo has a lot of excellent features.

Skip to tick is truly broken in the HR20. They need to fix it to be like Tivo. :D
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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:11 PM

Fair observation, many of us are long time DirecTV subscribers who owned DVRs which happened to be Tivos. The Tivo is a fantastic interface. It is extremely user friendly and has helped usher in the DVR. The Tivo has a lot of excellent features.

Skip to tick is truly broken in the HR20. They need to fix it to be like Tivo. :D


Totally agree.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:27 PM

The closer the HR20 gets to being a Tivo the happier I will be. There are a bunch of features that are perfect on Tivo and would be welcomed by me to be added on the HR20. Besides dual buffers, the bigget think I would like would a guide similar to the Tivo guide insted of the grid guide we have now.
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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:57 PM

Exactly what kind of skip are you looking for?


The kind that either of the other DVRs I have used. Replaytv had a 30 second skip, auto commercial skip, manual commercial skip and a skip to whenever you want.

LG had a skip that is 1/30 of the program length. So it is 2 minutes for an hour recording.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:08 PM

When I get to the commercials, I hit skip the number of times I think there will be commercials, usually 5 or 6. HR20 gets it right on. Not sure what the problem is.

What is wrong with the HR20 guide grid?!? Makes perfect intuative sense to me.

TIVO bye bye. Never really liked the look of the interface. Too cartoonish looking like Windows XP. I always change to classic view, BTW. I really only miss the dual buffers but we can debate that all day long.

And what's with the goofy thumbs? Never liked them, either. Still don't know what they're for. And don't pick programs I want to watch! I can find enough crap to watch on my own. I turned that junk off right away.

So why is TIVO better again?

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:19 PM

OK, there are a few things I like better about the HR20 than the TiVo. It is nice to see how much space I have left. And it is really nice that I could plug in an eSATA drive and have it just work. And it is nice that all the outputs are always active. But, given the choice, I'd still pick TiVo in a heartbeat.

Usability - TiVo's interface is simple and consistent. I never had to hunt for anything or think hard about what I was doing. After a month of daily use, I still have to look for things in the HR20 menus.

One current gripe - I have the playlist sorted by title (something that should be very easy to do and change). TiVo is smart - it sorts programs and folders by title, but programs within folders by date. So episodes within a folder were in the correct order. HR20 carries the sort by title too far, sorting episodes in the folder by title, too. So, I have to look at each date to figure out which episode to watch next.

One other gripe is that changing the current favorites list is much more complicated than it should be. And while I'm at it, I don't really expect to have to go into "Settings" to set up recordings. Settings should be reserved for changing how the device works.

Reliability - My TiVo's "just worked". I never worried about missing a recording, partial recordings, or figuring out what happened when something didn't record. Having to reset was extremely rare. I haven't had that many problems with the HR20 -- but I have had one partial recording, had to figure out why something didn't record, and had to do a couple of resets. Overall, not too bad, but far more problems than I would have had with TiVo in the same period of time.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:22 PM

So why is TIVO better again?


That is what I am trying to figure out. And that is why I don't want my HR20 to turn into a Tivo clone. I would rather it progress in another direction.

Like I said, if I wanted a Tivo I would have bought a Tivo.

-mk

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:37 PM

The kind that either of the other DVRs I have used. Replaytv had a 30 second skip, auto commercial skip, manual commercial skip and a skip to whenever you want.

LG had a skip that is 1/30 of the program length. So it is 2 minutes for an hour recording.

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HR20 has a 30 second "slip" and in the latest CE cycle a true 30 second skip is being added. So perhaps that will be what you are looking for.




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